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Discussion: Has capitalism treated you well?
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Adonis
People in the military don't make that much money. Both of my parents were in the military and pretty highly ranked.
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They dont serve in the military, honey. They are professionals with lucrative contracts. Poor you!
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Communism would be good if it actually worked. But it hasn't ever worked and will never work.
Sure capitalism is flawed, but it's the closest thing we have.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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The answer is yes, because real capitalism, not some Keynesist ********, always treats everyone well. Only regulations distort it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by G.U.Y. Gaga
He's lying. He was already exposed in a deleted thread saying that he was broke and was sexually abused by his father
It has been okay, not really the best system but it's ok
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Wait fffff
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by G.U.Y. Gaga
He's lying. He was already exposed in a deleted thread saying that he was broke and was sexually abused by his father
It has been okay, not really the best system but it's ok
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d mean
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Patri
Of course, people who whine about capitalism are lazy. Capitalism is - at its base - a meritocracy.
Socialism and Communism are not.
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nobody who says the word "meritocracy" is someone to take seriously
ANYWAY, yes, but i'm pretty ambivalent on whether it's the right system to have. i think there are a lot of fundamentally terrible things about our current system but i'm not sure of what would work better in practice
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Member Since: 9/25/2011
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my parents are very successful, so yes, because of that i've been afforded a great life.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Heirloom
People who believe capitalism = meritocracy
Well, many people in here is from first world country and white probably so they never understand the struggle
Capitalism works very badly, esp in third world country like us
If you born poor then you're doomed no matter how hard you work
Capitalism take resources from our country to riches from first world country
So no, capitalism doesn't do me (and human) good unless you're egoistic
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This is the biggest thing people don't realize.
Let's see how good Capitalism works in first world, prominently white countries if you took all the borderline slave labor throughout Asia, all the environmental devastation throughout Africa, etc. for the GAIN of these first world countries and put it in those countries.
The biggest propaganda of capitalism is the lie that it's possible to earn huge sums of wealth.
No one can earn millions of millions of dollars.
No one can earn a billion dollars.
The only way for any single individual to accumulate such huge sums of money is by exploitation and taking away from others. People can only have SO MUCH because they're actively working to make sure those below them have so little. And worse - capitalism tricks people into viewing this mindset positively. Whoever can find the newest way to exploit land and people, to pull the most profit from people like pulling blood from a stone is rewarded, called genius, "entrepreneurs," etc.
Capitalism at its core is about exploitation, about abuse, etc.
It promotes the false reality that people naturally are going to have less and some people are naturally going to have more, while suggesting the more you have, the better you've done, and silencing its victim under labels like "lazy".
Capitalism is the most devastating system that has ravished and is currently killing our world.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Caprice
I'm sure the housekeepers at Trump Tower that wake up at dawn & clean rich people's *** every morning have a townhouse on the Upper East Side & a seaside mansion in the Hamptons. Such a dumb thing to say
Hard work isn't what give you wealth, it's a lie that has been told for milleniums.
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Cheap labor is cheap labor at the end of the day regardless of how hard one works. That will never be rewarded nor should it.
Working hard professionally will take you as far as you wish to go if you create a network. That requires an education, talent, or both.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Salacious
Cheap labor is cheap labor at the end of the day regardless of how hard one works. That will never be rewarded nor should it.
Working hard professionally will take you as far as you wish to go if you create a network. That requires an education, talent, or both.
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If y'all ever see someone say **** like this - essentially suggesting someone's blood + sweat + tears and often physically-exhausting labor - is somehow not worth enough payment to sustain their basic living needs, that's not someone you want around you or who you should have in your life.
That's someone completely removed from reality and human empathy and has literally no experience in ever having to work for something and be oppressed under classist systems.
People being worked to death and our planet literally being destroyed all in the name of profit and people in here are calling capitalism "the closest thing to perfect we'll ever have". Christ.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Communion
This is the biggest thing people don't realize.
Let's see how good Capitalism works in first world, prominently white countries if you took all the borderline slave labor throughout Asia, all the environmental devastation throughout Africa, etc. for the GAIN of these first world countries and put it in those countries.
The biggest propaganda of capitalism is the lie that it's possible to earn huge sums of wealth.
No one can earn millions of millions of dollars.
No one can earn a billion dollars.
The only way for any single individual to accumulate such huge sums of money is by exploitation and taking away from others. People can only have SO MUCH because they're actively working to make sure those below them have so little. And worse - capitalism tricks people into viewing this mindset positively. Whoever can find the newest way to exploit land and people, to pull the most profit from people like pulling blood from a stone is rewarded, called genius, "entrepreneurs," etc.
Capitalism at its core is about exploitation, about abuse, etc.
It promotes the false reality that people naturally are going to have less and some people are naturally going to have more, while suggesting the more you have, the better you've done, and silencing its victim under labels like "lazy".
Capitalism is the most devastating system that has ravished and is currently killing our world.
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Amazing post. My thoughts exactly.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Communion
PSA:
If y'all ever see someone say **** like this - essentially suggesting someone's blood + sweat + tears and often physically-exhausting labor - is somehow not worth enough payment to sustain their basic living needs, that's not someone you want around you or who you should have in your life.
That's someone completely removed from reality and human empathy and has literally no experience in ever having to work for something and be oppressed under classist systems.
People being worked to death and our planet literally being destroyed all in the name of profit and people in here are calling capitalism "the closest thing to perfect we'll ever have". Christ.
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Do you ever get tired of your shtick? You obviously jump to conclusions, or you simply can't read. Cheap labor doesn't entitle you to live on the Upper East Side. It doesn't entitle you to a salary above your worth. Please show me where I said that cheap labor doesn't deserve compensation. Have I justified the exploitation of cheap labor? You are incredibly ignorant, and the little tidbits you read on the Internet do not lend credibility to your narratives. Tumblr degrees have no worth.
We - those around me and I - all work for what we have.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Salacious
Do you ever get tired of your shtick? You obviously jump to conclusions, or you simply can't read. Cheap labor doesn't entitle you to live on the Upper East Side. It doesn't entitle you to a salary above your worth. Please show me where I said that cheap labor doesn't deserve compensation. Have I justified the exploitation of cheap labor? You are incredibly ignorant, and the little tidbits you read on the Internet do not lend credibility to your narratives. Tumblr degrees have no worth.
We - those around me and I - all work for what we have.
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You literally said nothing substantial in this post
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Originally posted by Patri
There's an Italian proverb that says - loosely translated; "when the fox can't reach the grape on the vine, he says it's sour". I think that just about hits the nail on the head here.
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I'm glad you know Italian proverbs. My aforementioned comment still stands.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by G.U.Y. Gaga
You literally said nothing substantial in this post
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You shouldn't have wasted your time reading my post.
Maybe you should have gone back to the post I originally quoted to understand why I brought up living on the Upper East Side or cheap labor in the first place. I was only clearing up someone erroneous claim that I think it's justifiable to exploit cheap labor.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Salacious
Do you ever get tired of your shtick? You obviously jump to conclusions, or you simply can't read. Cheap labor doesn't entitle you to live on the Upper East Side. It doesn't entitle you to a salary above your worth. Please show me where I said that cheap labor doesn't deserve compensation. Have I justified the exploitation of cheap labor? You are incredibly ignorant, and the little tidbits you read on the Internet do not lend credibility to your narratives. Tumblr degrees have no worth.
We - those around me and I - all work for what we have.
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And yet you still don't say if those who do "cheap" labor deserve payment that covers the bare minimum requirements to live in current society.
Did you get triggered? Did my post hit a little close to home? Make you feel bad?
If you cannot simply answer if every person living deserves the assurances to education, being able to go to a doctor when sick or ill or in poor mental health, to not be homeless or to not go to bed hungry without going on some rant about networking and climbing some ******** ladder, you literally are the biggest joke and stereotype of someone made delusional by their bubble.
The fact that you think "basic living needs" = "live on the Upper East Side".
No one cares about your boujee ass life, Chad/[insert some other typical ass name]. They want to make sure they have food in their fridge, can go to the doctor if they ever get sick, and won't die living in a ****ing box when they get too old to physically work, and your ******** "meritocracy"/crony capitalism isn't doing that. In fact, it's withering away their slice of the pie so your ass can have fifth helpings.
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Member Since: 11/24/2006
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Capitalism is just the best option, I see what some of you're saying, but communism and socialism are not better. They have good things, but they are more unfair.
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Originally posted by G.U.Y. Gaga
You literally said nothing substantial in this post
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What's new?
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Communion
And yet you still don't say if those who do "cheap" labor deserve payment that covers the bare minimum requirements to live in current society.
Did you get triggered? Did my post hit a little close to home? Make you feel bad?
If you cannot simply answer if every person living deserves the assurances to education, being able to go to a doctor when sick or ill or in poor mental health, to not be homeless or to not go to bed hungry without going on some rant about networking and climbing some ******** ladder, you literally are the biggest joke and stereotype of someone made delusional by their bubble.
The fact that you think "basic living needs" = "live on the Upper East Side".
No one cares about your boujee ass life, Chad/[insert some other typical ass name]. They want to make sure they have food in their fridge, can go to the doctor if they ever get sick, and won't die living in a ****ing box when they get too old to physically work, and your ******** "meritocracy"/crony capitalism isn't doing that. In fact, it's withering away their slice of the pie so your ass can have fifth helpings.
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Is it not implied? Do you need me to feed you the words? Of course, we probably qualify minimum requirements differently.
I'm not triggered, lol. I think you're the one who's triggered. You seem to be jumping to conclusions again. I don't see how asserting that cheap labor doesn't entitle you to live luxuriously means I also think those people shouldn't have access to healthcare.
I've never talked about my life. All I've said is that the people around me work extremely hard, and I've mentioned how capitalism can take one far in life. You're talking about my life more than I am.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
What's new?
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Did you slither out of your hole? You need to get over the fact that you embarrassed yourself by making preposterous claims to discredit the CIA.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Exploitation is part of humanity. I'm just thankful its not serfdom and life isn't as miserable as back in the day
Instead of a slave living in a hot humid tent I'm a slave with air conditioning and good food
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