[idkher]

Originally posted by Javan

If we ever discover a psychiatric treatment to cure gender dysphoria. We are going to look back at moments like these with such embarrassment. While listening to this born male talking about being a woman so earnestly, on a huge platform as the audience docilely absorb his spiel, I can't help but think - What if we are just enablers?

You are the worst troll

[Jack!]

Originally posted by Javan

I never did b4. Because I figured they aren't hurting anyone, or even themselves. But I can't help but wonder, is it morally acceptable to support and encourage those who are not in the right state of mind to dismember themselves in such a way? This become apparent after the story of the depressed woman who wanted to be euthanised. How can we advocate these permanent decisions when the person making them are not in the right frame of mind? Sounds like enabling tbh. And we may very well see it that way in decades time.

Being a trans male or female isn't a mental illness. That's like saying being gay is a mental illness. Gender dysphoria is an effect of being a trans person, but that's what hormone treatment and sexual reassignment surgery is for, which leads to "curing" (I find that's an icky term) ones gender dysphoria. Comparing sexual reassignment surgery to being euthanised is a little far fetched, I understand where your argument is coming from, but I don't believe that's the same. "Bruce Jenner" isn't dead. She's the same person she was before. Caitlyn has never said she changed person, she's always felt like Caitlyn inside, always been her. I personally don't see how changing your genetics is on the same wave length as euthanasia. We live in a generation where we're becoming more free to enable what's becoming "normal". I'm not saying euthanasia is abnormal, but writing a death certificate is not the same as changing the name and sex on another birth certificate.

[that G.U.Y.]

She is the best thing that ever happened to the USA.

[Javan]

Originally posted by Jack!

Being a trans male or female isn't a mental illness. That's like saying being gay is a mental illness.

No it isn't. It might be deviant. But that's the only way they are comparable. Gays believe in their sexual attraction to men, and that can be realised. A trans person believes they are female while being male, and visa versa, but physically, biologically that's not true.

Originally posted by Jack!

Gender dysphoria is an effect of being a trans person, but that's what hormone treatment and sexual reassignment surgery is for, which leads to "curing" (I find that's an icky term) ones gender dysphoria. Comparing sexual reassignment surgery to being euthanised is a little far fetched, I understand where your argument is coming from, but I don't believe that's the same. "Bruce Jenner" isn't dead.

Is it responsible to advocate the procedure when something like 1 in 4 trans regret transitioning?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...h.mentalhealth

Also how would this differ from transpecism may I ask again

[xtina10]

[Mezter]

Idk why the voice caught me off guard

[Troll Idle]

So proud of you beautiful Caitlyn!

She's gonna save so many lives

[NeverSincerely]

Originally posted by Javan

If we ever discover a psychiatric treatment to cure gender dysphoria. We are going to look back at moments like these with such embarrassment. While listening to this born male talking about being a woman so earnestly, on a huge platform as the audience docilely absorb his spiel, I can't help but think - What if we are just enablers?

If we ever discover a psychiatric treatment to cure narrow minded backwards thinking like yours, we are going to look back at moments like these with such embarrassment. More so than we already do.

[Get Em CiCi]

I love how Hollywood's new A-List couple Ciara & Russell Wilson are shown multiple times in this video.

[Achilles.]

I'm convinced that she's an actual angel.

[Music.ology]

Originally posted by GanjaSebert

That's actually not true...there's been research that shows the suicide rate goes up after the surgery because they continue being unhappy with the results and realize that there's so much they have to change to feel ok

Most of the trans women do the sex change surgery because of society pressure. Once they realize that having a vagina doesn't change people's view on them, they became even more depressed. So the surgery usually is a way for trans people feel more accepted by society.

[MetalHausOfJosh]

Beautiful speech
Caitlyn looked great and so happy

[Aciid]

I just cant. She's so inspiring, and acknowledging that she was blessed and to speak about the issues with her platform is so amazing.

****ing Queen

[MrFenty]

Javan I think you bring up a lot of good points. Its definitely worth considering the fact that post surgeries aren't always that successful, but if could of course be due to a number of different things from a continued low self esteem or sense of self to something more external like rejection from family/friends. Definitely worth exploring.

I don't believe that enabling is the right word though. A lot of people do certainly run around and chant "be yourself" and encourage trans people. However, to actually go through with the surgery requires months of therapy in which the psychologist thoroughly gets to know and understand the patient and to my knowledge any doubts or discrepencies in the patients sense of self might get exposed there...however therapists are humans and I'm sure it is easy to overlook some things or potentially be manipulated. But I guess my point is, enabling in my eyes implies that the act in question always ends negatively or affects the person poorly. There are still a wide # of trans ppl who are in fact much happier with themselves and love and experience life much more post surgery.

its clearly complicated...and of course a sensitive subject that shouldn't be approached in a black and white manner.

[keerbyriri]

[Cain]

Originally posted by NeverSincerely

If we ever discover a psychiatric treatment to cure narrow minded backwards thinking like yours, we are going to look back at moments like these with such embarrassment. More so than we already do.

He actually has valid points, if trans* people actually do get depressed and never get over that (surgery or not) wouldn't it be better for them to have their gender dysphorbia 'removed'?

There's not a way to do this yet but it couldn't hurt speculating

[Wonderland]

I'm tearing up.

Well done Caitlyn. I'm so proud and I'm so glad you're waving the banner for transgender people

I just really hope this can promote so much more change and acceptance in society, We all need to do our part

[Legacy]

That was beautiful. Such a good speech. She looked so happy to be there being able to speak about the community. You can see she's in a much better place now. Congrats Caitlyn

[Su-Barbie-A]

Originally posted by Get Em CiCi

I love how Hollywood's new A-List couple Ciara & Russell Wilson are shown multiple times in this video.

I didn't notice her

[Jack!]

Originally posted by Cain

He actually has valid points, if trans* people actually do get depressed and never get over that (surgery or not) wouldn't it be better for them to have their gender dysphorbia 'removed'?

There's not a way to do this yet but it couldn't hurt speculating

But that's a double edged sword. Removing your gender dysphoria stretches further than having SRS, yes, but under the knowledge that there's a psychological issue here, we need to look at the state of mind of anyone who has any general body issues. Weight issues, skin issues, BIID, the list goes on. For 3 out of 4 transgenders they do have their dysphoria removed. The 1 in 4 who don't feel different after SRS probably do have a further deep rooted issue, but we shouldn't use that to as a way to not enable thousands of happy people.