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News: All majority-Muslim countries have LGBT and women issues.
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Originally posted by 7/27
Just because many Muslims are homophobic doesn't mean it's ok to be Islamophobic... two wrongs don't make a right
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This.
A lot of these countries have disgusting views but so did Christian countries in the not so distant past.
Pretty much all religions are disgusting if you follow them word for word but a modern approach to them, taking teachings about loving others can be great.
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It's also remarkable how all the countries in that top 7 belong to the third world. I think that relying too much on religion has held these countries from progress. All the major religions, not just Islam, are too outdated to be taken literally in modern times and people should understand this.
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Originally posted by 7/27
So similarly if someone has dislike for a sexuality, in this case homosexuality, it doesn't mean they practise homophobia?
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Oop
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Originally posted by Communion
Israel? A peaceful country?.....
Also, odd you're only pointing out Islamic majority countries.
Places like Hungary are crumbling with homophobia (with tons of doctors teaching homosexuality is a curable disease), and the country is still relatively religious, but not Islamic, with only <.01% of the population Muslim.
I'm fine with the idea that all religion is harmful. People go "I'm sure you'd rather be gay in Europe than in the Middle East," and that's probably true, but as an American, I'd rather be gay in America than be gay in places like Hungary or most other homogenized European hellholes. Even as a Hungarian-American, I have no desire to ever visit such a disgusting place full of zealots who view my being as a disease to be cured.
The problem with people who get off on complaining about Islam online is that they'd be offended at such comments, thinking other religions or countries are above Islamist Middle Eastern countries, and miss the nuance in discussing all the shades of ignorance across the globe.
Also, Sweden has a horrible racism problem and China is.... a whole other issue.
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literally BS
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
It's also remarkable how all the countries in that top 7 belong to the third world. I think that relying too much on religion has held these countries from progress. All the major religions, not just Islam, are too outdated to be taken literally in modern times and people should understand this.
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True.
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Originally posted by J a y
20% of Muslims live in Arab countries. No mention of Indonesia which has the largest, nor India, Pakistan, Bangladesh - all three countries with about 10% of the Muslim population each.
I notice you mentioned the United Kingdom which has a large community of Bangladeshi, Indian and Pakistani, proving that a multicultural country does and can work, statistically living in the Greater London area as of the latest census.
I can claim 98% of the UK is white and that wouldn't be true yet atrl would believe it.
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Indonesia IS on that list. It's included in the fast-forward to #40. LGBT people face both legal and social discrimination in Indonesia.
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Originally posted by 7/27
So similarly if someone has dislike for a sexuality, in this case homosexuality, it doesn't mean they practise homophobia?
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Maybe that made sense in your head, but let me explain why it's not the case. Homosexuals don't criminalize, demonize, torture, and/or kill heterosexuals on the sole basis that they're heterosexuals. Many Muslims countries have laws against homosexuality simply based on a book. Homophobia and Islamophobia are very different.
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Face discrimination issues is very broad phrasing. Women and LGBT "face discrimination issues" no matter where they are.
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Originally posted by Wonderland
My point remains regardless of the quality of the show in question.
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Again, you need to separate the government and the people when you look at China.
The censorship of the Government is indeed ridiculous but the Chinese society is becoming more accepting of LGBT people.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Indonesia IS on that list. It's included in the fast-forward to #40. LGBT people face both legal and social discrimination in Indonesia.
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So one of the most populous Muslim countries is further down the list yet you're branding ALL Muslims as the same?
What side of the bed did you get out this morning because that makes no sense whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Communion
Israel? A peaceful country?.....
Also, odd you're only pointing out Islamic majority countries.
Places like Hungary are crumbling with homophobia (with tons of doctors teaching homosexuality is a curable disease), and the country is still relatively religious, but not Islamic, with only <.01% of the population Muslim.
I'm fine with the idea that all religion is harmful. People go "I'm sure you'd rather be gay in Europe than in the Middle East," and that's probably true, but as an American, I'd rather be gay in America than be gay in places like Hungary or most other homogenized European hellholes. Even as a Hungarian-American, I have no desire to ever visit such a disgusting place full of zealots who view my being as a disease to be cured.
The problem with people who get off on complaining about Islam online is that they'd be offended at such comments, thinking other religions or countries are above Islamist Middle Eastern countries, and miss the nuance in discussing all the shades of ignorance across the globe.
Also, Sweden has a horrible racism problem and China is.... a whole other issue.
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You're completely brainwashed by the American media and you sound like you've never been outside of your country. In Hungary pride parades are organized peacefully and civil unions are legal there. Yes, there's some work to do on the people's mentality, but it's not like you can't come out in Hungary or else you'll be stoned. Let's not get started with Israel - huge support for the LGBT community from the Israeli people and you shouldn't think based on their unfortunate geographical position.
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Originally posted by J a y
20% of Muslims live in Arab countries. No mention of Indonesia which has the largest, nor India, Pakistan, Bangladesh - all three countries with about 10% of the Muslim population each.
I notice you mentioned the United Kingdom which has a large community of Bangladeshi, Indian and Pakistani, proving that a multicultural country does and can work, statistically living in the Greater London area as of the latest census.
I can claim 98% of the UK is white and that wouldn't be true yet atrl would believe it.
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India is a Hindu-majority country, and laws there aren't passed by first referencing the Quran. LGBT members aren't killed or imprisoned there. Punishment by stoning and other barbaric practices outlined in the Quran aren't practiced in India.
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So sad and scary. My boyfriend has been trying to talk me into visiting the Middle East for a couple of years. It's a beautiful place, but I am really worried about being gay and visiting there. The chances of anything happening to us are very slim, but why risk it?
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Originally posted by J a y
So one of the most populous Muslim countries is further down the list yet you're branding ALL Muslims as the same?
What side of the bed did you get out this morning because that makes no sense whatsoever.
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It's only 80% Muslim that's why it's further down the list (yet it's still on the list) and it does have discrimination against LGBT people both on the social and governmental levels. You're actually the only one not making sense on here.
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Why are some of you trying to say this is not true?
Islam is a religion of homophobia and sexism
Come on, even their laws are bizarre.
Yeah, sure "Hungary and Eastern Europe are horrible", but they don't kill or imprison gays
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Originally posted by Salacious
India is a Hindu-majority country, and laws there aren't passed by first referencing the Quran. LGBT members aren't killed or imprisoned there. Punishment by stoning and other barbaric practices outlined in the Quran aren't practiced in India.
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They aren't practiced in most muslim countries either
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Originally posted by Fanik
literally BS
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Eastern Europe especially, even majority-Christian nations, has a homophobia epidemic within the medical world. I'm sorry if you only want to believe Muslims can be homophobic, but when nations within the EU have high as half their doctors teaching homosexuality as a disease, there's an issue that needs to be discussed.
If people want to pull that "x is more progressive than y," than they have no right to be mad when people also point out that "z is more progressive than x".
I live in one of the most progressive states on LGBT rights in America and I can only hope my LGBT brothers and sisters can flee from the religious nightmares in Europe and live as themselves.
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
You're completely brainwashed by the American media and you sound like you've never been outside of your country. In Hungary pride parades are organized peacefully and civil unions are legal there. Yes, there's some work to do on the people's mentality, but it's not like you can't come out in Hungary or else you'll be stoned. Let's not get started with Israel - huge support for the LGBT community from the Israeli people and you shouldn't think based on their unfortunate geographical position.
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I as a gay person owe nothing to Israel's homonationalism and pinkwashing it uses to try and seem like a human rights champion while it continues to blow up children. And considering my tax dollars as an American go help pay for those weapons Israel uses to commit genocide, I'll freely air my complaints. They're just another religious war machine.
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Originally posted by ManDown
So sad and scary. My boyfriend has been trying to talk me into visiting the Middle East for a couple of years. It's a beautiful place, but I am really worried about being gay and visiting there. The chances of anything happening to us are very slim, but why risk it?
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You'll be fine in places like Israel, Jordan and Lebanon as long as you don't announce your sexuality.
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