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Originally posted by fabbriche
Mankind has committed all the deadliest sins and become evil since the creation. And the punishment for sin is DEATH, eternal death in the eternal fires of hell that is. But because the Almighty God loved mankind so much, He gave us one more chance. He said He would forgive mankind of its sins completely and promised them they will reach the Promised Land at the end of time. But before it all happens, someone must sacrifice. And that is Jesus Christ. He sent His only begotten Son to pay for our sins and redeem the world from damnation. Actually, God can do all these things in an instant. Nothing is impossible with Him. But the God that we have is not the one who does magic. He wants it to happen the hard way. Because only through this we will learn our lessons.
Jesus Christ, from his Heavenly throne descended to earth and take the form of a man, was born, lived, suffered, died like any ordinary man, not only to redeem us from our sins, but also to show us the virtue of humility and to teach us that no matter how privileged or successful we are, we all are still in need of mercy of God.
Most of us think that LOVE is greatest of all, that love can move mountains and conquer everything, but there is one thing greater than love. And that is God's MERCY, the only thing that keeps us going til this very day despite our ingratitude and wickedness.
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I repeat, in what upside down alice in wonderland / i love money type world is it logical to send thy son, born of holy semen, to earth on a suicide mission?
I'm fully aware of the story, but WHY would he do that? HOW does that make sense? HOW can this sky diety be capable of creating "everything" (does that include himself? lol), yet incapable of altering human fate without wacking his son in the process?
EDIT: I love how you said "before that happens, someone must sacrafice" which roulglhy translates to "before that happens, someone must die"... god and his violent ways
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Member Since: 7/30/2010
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Mankind has committed all the deadliest sins and become evil since the creation. And the punishment for sin is DEATH, eternal death in the eternal fires of hell that is. But because the Almighty God loved mankind so much, He gave us one more chance. He said He would forgive mankind of its sins completely and promised them they will reach the Promised Land at the end of time. But before it all happens, someone must sacrifice. And that is Jesus Christ. He sent His only begotten Son to pay for our sins and redeem the world from damnation.
Actually, God can do all these things in an instant. Nothing is impossible with Him. But the God that we have is not the one who does magic. He wants it to happen the hard way. Because only through this we will learn our lessons.
Jesus Christ, from his Heavenly throne descended to earth and take the form of a man, was born, lived, suffered, died like any ordinary man, not only to redeem us from our sins, but also to show us the virtue of humility and to teach us that no matter how privileged or successful we are, we all are still in need of mercy of God.
Most of us think that LOVE is greatest of all, that love can move mountains and conquer everything, but there is one thing greater than love. And that is God's MERCY, the only thing that keeps us going til this very day despite our ingratitude and wickedness.
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I am Not here for any sunday school lesson, In the Bible they are no counts of God creating any dinosaurs but they existed anyway, Bible + god = BS
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by What It Seems
I am Not here for any sunday school lesson, In the Bible they are no counts of God creating any dinosaurs but they existed anyway, Bible + god = BS
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The Bible is not a science book. Not all written on it is literal. Science teaches us the origin of all the organisms and what is essential for their survival. It connotes temporal. The Bible, on the otherhand, teaches about the purpose of one's existence and life after death. It connotes permanence. You choose which is more important to you.
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Member Since: 7/30/2010
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I choose the science book along with my other subjects at my school books, that's my purpose in life to go to to college to get a job, to get a family and so one. If Jesus or god was your master/ creator why didn't he go to college......... and lastly , the bible is main cause of homophobia these days
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by inspiration4
I repeat, in what upside down alice in wonderland / i love money type world is it logical to send thy son, born of holy semen, to earth on a suicide mission?
I'm fully aware of the story, but WHY would he do that? HOW does that make sense? HOW can this sky diety be capable of creating "everything" (does that include himself? lol), yet incapable of altering human fate without wacking his son in the process?
EDIT: I love how you said "before that happens, someone must sacrafice" which roulglhy translates to "before that happens, someone must die"... god and his violent ways
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Jesus Christ was conceived man, born, lived, suffered and died like a man. But it doesn't end there. He resurrected from death. It was all part of God's plan. The life, passion and resurrection of Christ teaches us so many things. So many things like humility, meekness, fear of God, submission of one's self to God, so many other virtues. You should not only read them like you're reading someone's biography. When you study and ponder Christ's life and passion, you will learn the good examples He set. It's there for people to follow, not only for us to know.
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Member Since: 10/30/2009
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i just don't agree that much with the bible.
animal-killing, gay-bashing, male-chauvinist bible.
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Member Since: 3/4/2009
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Jesus Christ was conceived man, born, lived, suffered and died like a man. But it doesn't end there. He resurrected from death. It was all part of God's plan. The life, passion and resurrection of Christ teaches us so many things. So many things like humility, meekness, fear of God, submission of one's self to God, so many other virtues. You should not only read them like you're reading someone's biography. When you study and ponder Christ's life and passion, you will learn the good examples He set. It's there for people to follow, not only for us to know.
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Out of all those "virtues", humility is pretty much the only thing that says something to me. Other "virtues" you listed all mention god, like fear of god etc. So if I don't believe in god, those virtues don't really mean anything to me (not saying that personally I am a complete atheist though).
Sometimes its just so frustrating though...I often hear a preacher, or a very religious person say: "oh this is such an important passage from the Bible, it teaches you so many things", after that he reads that passage, and I am trying my hardest to find some subtle, smart ways in which that passage had an important wisdom in it, but I usually fail to find anything valuable for my life... I'll better stick with classic literature and psychology magazines, thank you!
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Member Since: 10/5/2006
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Mankind has committed all the deadliest sins and become evil since the creation. And the punishment for sin is DEATH, eternal death in the eternal fires of hell that is. But because the Almighty God loved mankind so much, He gave us one more chance. He said He would forgive mankind of its sins completely and promised them they will reach the Promised Land at the end of time. But before it all happens, someone must sacrifice. And that is Jesus Christ. He sent His only begotten Son to pay for our sins and redeem the world from damnation.
Actually, God can do all these things in an instant. Nothing is impossible with Him. But the God that we have is not the one who does magic. He wants it to happen the hard way. Because only through this we will learn our lessons.
Jesus Christ, from his Heavenly throne descended to earth and take the form of a man, was born, lived, suffered, died like any ordinary man, not only to redeem us from our sins, but also to show us the virtue of humility and to teach us that no matter how privileged or successful we are, we all are still in need of mercy of God.
Most of us think that LOVE is greatest of all, that love can move mountains and conquer everything, but there is one thing greater than love. And that is God's MERCY, the only thing that keeps us going til this very day despite our ingratitude and wickedness.
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You should have a giant "I think/believe" before posting such a thing. Do you truly believe in this Almighty God or were you taught this in Sunday school?
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by ashuduff
You should have a giant "I think/believe" before posting such a thing. Do you truly believe in this Almighty God or were you taught this in Sunday school?
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I believe in God. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe in the Holy Bible. I believe in the doctrines of my religion. And I'm not alone. My family, my friends, my neighborhood, my countrymen, people I know like the president, the professionals, the uneducated, the rich and the poor. Even popstars do. Those that we look up to. Those that we admire. Those that we idolize. Most of them, if not all, believe in God. Not saying that I only believe because they do. But the fact that I'm sharing the common belief with diverse groups of people from various walks of life, it only reaffirms and solidifies that what I believe in is right. I'm not here to persuade or convince anybody to believe in God or in religion though. That's beyond my human ability.
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Member Since: 10/5/2006
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Originally posted by fabbriche
I believe in God. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe in the Holy Bible. I believe in the doctrines of my religion. And I'm not alone. My family, my friends, my neighborhood, my countrymen, people I know like the president, the professionals, the uneducated, the rich and the poor. Even popstars do. Those that we look up to. Those that we admire. Those that we idolize. Most of them, if not all, believe in God. Not saying that I only believe because they do. But the fact that I'm sharing the common belief with diverse groups of people from various walks of life, it only reaffirms and solidifies that what I believe in is right. I'm not here to persuade or convince anybody to believe in God or in religion though. That's beyond my human ability.
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Do you accept other religions and tolerate their beliefs? And don't you think it's stupid to believe that just because half the world believes in God, God must exist? If you believe it fine, but don't let other's beliefs affirm and solidify your own belief.
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Member Since: 1/14/2007
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Originally posted by fabbriche
I believe in God. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe in the Holy Bible. I believe in the doctrines of my religion. And I'm not alone. My family, my friends, my neighborhood, my countrymen, people I know like the president, the professionals, the uneducated, the rich and the poor. Even popstars do. Those that we look up to. Those that we admire. Those that we idolize. Most of them, if not all, believe in God. Not saying that I only believe because they do. But the fact that I'm sharing the common belief with diverse groups of people from various walks of life, it only reaffirms and solidifies that what I believe in is right. I'm not here to persuade or convince anybody to believe in God or in religion though. That's beyond my human ability.
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There was a time in the United States where the majority of people believed in slavery. Did that make them right?
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by ashuduff
Do you accept other religions and tolerate their beliefs? And don't you think it's stupid to believe that just because half the world believes in God, God must exist? If you believe it fine, but don't let other's beliefs affirm and solidify your own belief.
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Do I accept other religions? No. Because I'm a Roman Catholic. And Catholicism means the universal church.
Do I tolerate others' beliefs? Yes. I believe that God created every individual unique and different. He created us with different races, different languages, different viewpoints. There is no place in this world for bigotry so it's only necessary to tolerate each others' beliefs.
And it's not stupid to believe in God because half the world or probably even more do. Actually, our power and will of believing does not come from us. It comes from our knowledge. And our knowledge is not first hand. It comes from other sources. I believe in God because my Church introduced God to me. You don't believe in God because probably some science books had affected or influenced you otherwise. It's only the convincing power of various forces around us that shapes and forms our beliefs.
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by yankee04
There was a time in the United States where the majority of people believed in slavery. Did that make them right?
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When something teaches nothing but good then it's right.
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Why do people who believe in God feel the need to push their beliefs upon those who either don't believe in God or don't know if such a deity exists? You don't see me running around, talking about how there's no proof that God exists, because I respect the beliefs of others. My family (for the most part) believes in God, and my extended family ESPECIALLY believes in God, but do I try to tell them that what they believe may be wrong? NO, because I may be just as wrong as they may be wrong. And let me say, before anyone jumps on me, that I don't REALLY like when non-believers do the same, because they're just doing the same thing, only from a different perspective.
The point is that WE DON'T KNOW if such a thing as an almighty power exists, and I'm tired of either side pushing their beliefs upon us as if they know everything and that they know THEIR position is right. You don't, and none of us do.
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Member Since: 8/14/2007
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Originally posted by inspiration4
I repeat, in what upside down alice in wonderland / i love money type world is it logical to send thy son, born of holy semen, to earth on a suicide mission?
I'm fully aware of the story, but WHY would he do that? HOW does that make sense? HOW can this sky diety be capable of creating "everything" (does that include himself? lol), yet incapable of altering human fate without wacking his son in the process?
EDIT: I love how you said "before that happens, someone must sacrafice" which roulglhy translates to "before that happens, someone must die"... god and his violent ways
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Well, the whole "sacrifice his only son" thing is supposed to show us God loves us.
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Member Since: 6/26/2010
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Originally posted by Red
Why do people who believe in God feel the need to push their beliefs upon those who either don't believe in God or don't know if such a deity exists? You don't see me running around, talking about how there's no proof that God exists, because I respect the beliefs of others. My family (for the most part) believes in God, and my extended family ESPECIALLY believes in God, but do I try to tell them that what they believe may be wrong? NO, because I may be just as wrong as they may be wrong. And let me say, before anyone jumps on me, that I don't REALLY like when non-believers do the same, because they're just doing the same thing, only from a different perspective.
The point is that WE DON'T KNOW if such a thing as an almighty power exists, and I'm tired of either side pushing their beliefs upon us as if they know everything and that they know THEIR position is right. You don't, and none of us do.
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thiiis.
if they have so much faith, why feel offended or try to explain the others that what they think is wrong? is it because the faith isn't that strong? I don't understand those kind of people
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Member Since: 8/14/2007
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Do I accept other religions? No. Because I'm a Roman Catholic. And Catholicism means the universal church.
Do I tolerate others' beliefs? Yes. I believe that God created every individual unique and different. He created us with different races, different languages, different viewpoints. There is no place in this world for bigotry so it's only necessary to tolerate each others' beliefs.
And it's not stupid to believe in God because half the world or probably even more do. Actually, our power and will of believing does not come from us. It comes from our knowledge. And our knowledge is not first hand. It comes from other sources. I believe in God because my Church introduced God to me. You don't believe in God because probably some science books had affected or influenced you otherwise. It's only the convincing power of various forces around us that shapes and forms our beliefs.
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That's not true. He created different languages as a punishment because Eva ate a ****ing apple.
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Member Since: 1/14/2007
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Originally posted by Red
Why do people who believe in God feel the need to push their beliefs upon those who either don't believe in God or don't know if such a deity exists? You don't see me running around, talking about how there's no proof that God exists, because I respect the beliefs of others. My family (for the most part) believes in God, and my extended family ESPECIALLY believes in God, but do I try to tell them that what they believe may be wrong? NO, because I may be just as wrong as they may be wrong. And let me say, before anyone jumps on me, that I don't REALLY like when non-believers do the same, because they're just doing the same thing, only from a different perspective.
The point is that WE DON'T KNOW if such a thing as an almighty power exists, and I'm tired of either side pushing their beliefs upon us as if they know everything and that they know THEIR position is right. You don't, and none of us do.
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I have no problems with 99% of believers and non-believers alike. I suppose it is as you said, "the people who feel the need to push their beliefs on others" that I have a problem with. The people who believe they are right, you are wrong and you are going to hell for it are the ones I have a problem with.
The fact is that no religion is going to be dead on correct when it comes to their beliefs. One may be more right than others or none at all may even be close, but in the end there is no religion that will be 100% right. It is pretty much statistically impossible that based on the number of religions we have that one of them is right about everything.
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Member Since: 1/14/2007
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Originally posted by Alexz
That's not true. He created different languages as a punishment because Eva ate a ****ing apple.
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Who is this Eva person you speak of?
You cannot believe everything the Bible says in the same way you can't dismiss everything it says. One thing is true though. It is quite an interesting and entertaining collection of stories whether true or not.
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Member Since: 8/14/2007
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Originally posted by yankee04
Who is this Eva person you speak of?
You cannot believe everything the Bible says in the same way you can't dismiss everything it says. One thing is true though. It is quite an interesting and entertaining collection of stories whether true or not.
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Eve? Is that her English name? The first woman ever created from a piece of stomach of the first man you know..
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