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What is up with these gay homophobes?
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Originally posted by Virgin *****
Oh, mind your own business. That's not what Justin meant... he's implying that *I* should be more "masculine" because supposedly "feminine" gay guys are viewed negatively in the gay community. So step off.
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I'm not attacking you or anything (i actually think you're pretty cool) but yeah i'm entitled to have my own opinion.
I simply believe that gay guys shouldn't lose their masculinity, but i have absolutely nothing against those who do lose it.
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I'm sorry, but the only thing that makes a man a man is if he has a twig and berries dangling in betwixt his legs. The rest is all societal ********, and it's really sad to see so many people falling for it?
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And really Randy, you of all people? Like, criticising anyone else? I guess we should all live like Randy and have prolonged infatuations with "straight" guys that are never going to love us? Have fun with your masculinity while you're crying yourself to sleep.
Oops. Was that too mean?
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Originally posted by FranklinComesAlive
I'm sorry, but the only thing that makes a man a man is if he has a twig and berries dangling in betwixt his legs. The rest is all societal ********, and it's really sad to see so many people falling for it?
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lol word!
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I can't say i'm shocked by Justin's biggoted behavior. Internalised homophobia is very common amongst gay youth. But I must say, i'm quite shocked by how much backwards thinking was going in this thread. Everyone here should go read up on gay history etc...and maybe you'll understand John's point of view.
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Mugshot's back and better than ever
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Originally posted by GoldenBoy
I'm homophobic for not liking femmes? I ----ing hate stereotypes. And the stereotype for gay men is that they're more feminine versions of straight guys. That's ********. I'm sick of people thinking that just because I'm gay I'm gonna act like a girl.
And yes... masc. guys are SO much hotter, but some people actually think femme guys are attractive .
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OH GOD! I just saw this now. I can't believe this. I'm absolutely LIVID! Justin, baby darling, don't be such an idiot. If you weren't such a flamming queen you would be burning gays with the KKK.
Predicton: Justin joins the ex-gay movement in 20 years and lives a life dedicated to one of the most flamming religious figures ever, Jesus.
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Mugshot and Bart, I knew a long time ago for the longest time that I like you guys a lot... now I seriously know why I do and why I always will. <333
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Originally posted by Randy
I simply believe that gay guys shouldn't lose their masculinity, but i have absolutely nothing against those who do lose it.
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Ummm no. See, you guys just don't get it do you. NOBODY F^CKING SAID ANYTHING ABOUT RETAINING MASCULINITY. Hey morons, maybe you guys should do something productive with your lives and read up on the sacred feminine. They believe that the more feminine you are, the more masculine you are perceived.
But seriously though Randy, nobody said anything about gays losing their masculinity. What *I* (along with most of the people Justin has pissed off recently) am personally offended by is that pea-brain Justin is ATTACKING me for being too feminine telling me he doesn't "respect" my lifestyle. NEWSFLASH: You don't know me. I'll live my life however I want to.
Mugshot and Bart, I knew I liked you guys a lot before... now I truly know why. <3
Nick, I know you are trying to mitigate and stray away from the fact that Justin is gay and he is hating on me for being TOO gay. Don't try to confuse me sweetheart, you're only confusing yourself. When Justin said that "the stereotype for gay men is that they're more feminine versions of straight guys" he's basically saying that the more feminine you are, the less you are accepted in society. Basically he's implying that it's okay to be gay... only if you act straight. That's basic common sense in English, baby, so don't confuse yourself again. If you STILL can't understand that, I can rewrite this post for you in four other motherf^cking languages. And Nick, you're just too "masculine" for me to begin with anyway.
I know you're scared to piss me off, and I truly admire your cautionary, hesitant mannerism towards that post. I'm sure you don't want me to take my sharp claws out again on your twinky ass a second time and quite frankly, I can take BOTH you AND Justeen at the same time.
I mean, you're only gay if you swallow, right Justin?
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I know I can't expect you to read all this since you're just going to take parts and use it to make another "everyone feel sorry for me and look at the bad guy" attack.
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Originally posted by Virgin *****
Nick, I know you are trying to mitigate and stray away from the fact that Justin is gay and he is hating on me for being TOO gay. Don't try to confuse me sweetheart, you're only confusing yourself.
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First of all, I don't understand the need to be condescending, calling me sweetheart and baby, and write a snotty ass post like that. You have not an ounce of common decency in you, do you? You're just interested in being militant right now toward anyone who disagrees with your CLOSED MINDED - YES you can be a CLOSED MINDED MINORITY - viewpoint. And you're attacking me because I didn't kiss your ass. That's not gonna happen, so I guess you can just continue on your rampage? Just because I post a dissenting opinion? Doesn't mean you need to be such a huge drama queen about it.
With that said, I'm STILL quite bothered by some of your terminology, and I feel the need to pick apart your incredibly flawed logic.
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Originally posted by Virgin *****
When Justin said that "the stereotype for gay men is that they're more feminine versions of straight guys" he's basically saying that the more feminine you are, the less you are accepted in society. Basically he's implying that it's okay to be gay... only if you act straight.
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If Justin said it's the STEREOTYPE that all gay men act more feminine, that means he believes it's a misconceived notion. With that said, he doesn't believe that acting FEMININE is equated to acting GAY. Since there is NO SUCH THING as acting GAY. You can act FEMININE or MASCULINE but that has nothing to do with your SEXUALITY. If you think it comes as a package then you're just being ignorant and you're only looking at yourself, disregarding the idea that MAYBE someone could have developed differently from the way you did. And so in essence, since Justin doesn't believe feminine=gay, he isn't hating himself by saying it's more acceptable to act MASCULINE, because he is a MASCULINE GAY MAN.
From your arguments, all it seems like is you believe that every gay guy should be a big flaming femme, and that is simply not going to be the case. Everyone doesn't have to try hard and be uncomfortable to be masculine. Some of us are naturally masculine, some of us are naturally feminine. Nobody should try hard to be something they're not, and that's why I understand why you may act feminine. However, you NEED TO REALIZE that NOT EVERY GAY MAN is YOU. You're one person - we all have different life experiences and we're not all going to have this grand desire to act like a woman...or a man for that matter. And you need to understand that it's ok for people to be masculine if you expect them to accept you for being feminine. It's a two way street and you're being JUST as judgmental as Justin is....except he doesn't need a soap box like you do.
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Originally posted by Virgin *****
If you STILL can't understand that, I can rewrite this post for you in four other motherf^cking languages. And Nick, you're just too "masculine" for me to begin with anyway.
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A. It won't be logical to me in any language, so spare yourself.
B. I have to say I'm quite glad I'm too "masculine" for you, since I'd rather not associate with someone who is so dramatic.
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Originally posted by Virgin *****
I know you're scared to piss me off, and I truly admire your cautionary, hesitant mannerism towards that post. I'm sure you don't want me to take my sharp claws out again on your twinky ass a second time and quite frankly, I can take BOTH you AND Justeen at the same time.
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I'm not really scared to piss you off. Maybe I didn't feel the NEED to, but I apparently did it anyway because that's just the way you are. I was only trying to explain that I understand that some people have different life experiences and will act differently because they for whatever reason shaped up to be more masculine or feminine. I'm not JUDGING you at all, and you come and act like I'm being offensive.
So instead of being militant and twisting my motives, why don't you just realize that I was making a very civil attempt to explain to both of you a lesson in tolerance and understanding. Not trying to CONFUSE you. But instead you decide to lash out. Because you know what I realized? That's all you know how to do. And that's fine. But it doesn't work with me.
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Originally posted by Nick
With that said, I'm STILL quite bothered by some of your terminology, and I feel the need to pick apart your incredibly flawed logic.
If Justin said it's the STEREOTYPE that all gay men act more feminine, that means he believes it's a misconceived notion. With that said, he doesn't believe that acting FEMININE is equated to acting GAY. Since there is NO SUCH THING as acting GAY. You can act FEMININE or MASCULINE but that has nothing to do with your SEXUALITY. If you think it comes as a package then you're just being ignorant and you're only looking at yourself, disregarding the idea that MAYBE someone could have developed differently from the way you did. And so in essence, since Justin doesn't believe feminine=gay, he isn't hating himself by saying it's more acceptable to act MASCULINE, because he is a MASCULINE GAY MAN.
From your arguments, all it seems like is you believe that every gay guy should be a big flaming femme, and that is simply not going to be the case. Everyone doesn't have to try hard and be uncomfortable to be masculine. Some of us are naturally masculine, some of us are naturally feminine. Nobody should try hard to be something they're not, and that's why I understand why you may act feminine. However, you NEED TO REALIZE that NOT EVERY GAY MAN is YOU. You're one person - we all have different life experiences and we're not all going to have this grand desire to act like a woman...or a man for that matter. And you need to understand that it's ok for people to be masculine if you expect them to accept you for being feminine.
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I'm glad someone understands the difference between sex and gender and then sexual orientation.
Also, what the hell is wrong with lesbians?
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I'm glad Nick is able to interpret my posts for what they are and not TWIST MY ----ING WORDS AROUND TO MAKE ME LOOK LIKE SATIN. Seriously, John, you're making too much out of this.
After Nick's post I agree that I should be more tolerant, but at the same time someone like John, who has to be a drama queen and be pretentious and obnoxious, isn't making a good name for himself.
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LMMFAO I brought out the little gay bitch in Nick. I'm so glad you wet your tight little rainbow-colored panty.
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Originally posted by Nick
From your arguments, all it seems like is you believe that every gay guy should be a big flaming femme, and that is simply not going to be the case. Everyone doesn't have to try hard and be uncomfortable to be masculine. Some of us are naturally masculine, some of us are naturally feminine. Nobody should try hard to be something they're not, and that's why I understand why you may act feminine.
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See, this is why people should mind their own damn business because now, you're trying to twist everything in defense to protect Justin's ignorance and INTOLERANCE to differences. WHERE THE HELL DID I SAY EVERY GUY SHOULD BE FEMININE. I didn't! I was arguing about the fact that JUSTIN IS ATTACKING ME FOR BEING "TOO GAY" and it's ridiculous for him to "not accept" and dis"respect" my lifestyle because he is gay himself and I found that to be ironic and hypocritical.
No Nick, I don't need pity nor did I ask for one. Get it straight -- oh I forgot, you're one big FLAMING HOMO yourself. How dare you call me a close minded minority. The only drama queen here is YOU. Obviously, you just LOOOOOOOVE drama and love bringing it on to yourself because you're still here sweetheart. This is between me and Justin -- SO STAY THE F^CK OUT OF IT. Quite frankly, you are giving me a headache so I suggest you shove a **** in it and sh^t the f^ck up.
So Nick, I would seriously appreciate it if you back the f^ck off and just mind your own damn business because you are only digging yourself a bigger hole. Thanks.
And Justin, yes, you are indeed "Satin." It's Satan -- learn how to spell. Not only are you gay and homophobic, but you're also illiterate. How sad.
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I knew this would be a classic. Didn't I call it?! I called it
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Originally posted by Virgin *****
LMMFAO I brought out the little gay bitch in Nick. I'm so glad you wet your tight little rainbow-colored panty.
See, this is why people should mind their own damn business because now, you're trying to twist everything in defense to protect Justin's ignorance and INTOLERANCE to differences. WHERE THE HELL DID I SAY EVERY GUY SHOULD BE FEMININE. I didn't! I was arguing about the fact that JUSTIN IS ATTACKING ME FOR BEING "TOO GAY" and it's ridiculous for him to "not accept" and dis"respect" my lifestyle because he is gay himself and I found that to be ironic and hypocritical.
No Nick, I don't need pity nor did I ask for one. Get it straight -- oh I forgot, you're one big FLAMING HOMO yourself. How dare you call me a close minded minority. The only drama queen here is YOU. Obviously, you just LOOOOOOOVE drama and love bringing it on to yourself because you're still here sweetheart. This is between me and Justin -- SO STAY THE F^CK OUT OF IT. Quite frankly, you are giving me a headache so I suggest you shove a **** in it and sh^t the f^ck up.
So Nick, I would seriously appreciate it if you back the f^ck off and just mind your own damn business because you are only digging yourself a bigger hole. Thanks.
And Justin, yes, you are indeed "Satin." It's Satan -- learn how to spell. Not only are you gay and homophobic, but you're also illiterate. How sad.
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You're a disgrace. I've never called you too gay, hell theres no way you can be TOO gay. Did you read anythign Nick said?
gay ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g)
adj. gay·er, gay·est
Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
How the ---- could I call you "too gay" if THATS THE DEFINITION I'VE BEEN USING THE ENTIRE TIME. I simply said you were too femme.
You just don't get it. Not every ----ing gay person has THE SAME LIFESTYLE. WE'RE NOT ALL QUEENS LIKE YOU, and we don't have to be. You're so close-minded to think that every gay person has to be a "FLAMING HOMO" as quoted by you. You're the one digging yourself in to a hole by not responding to this key argument.
Oh and last time I checked, spelling has nothing to do with literacy. I also just got in to Cornell so you can suck it.
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I've really said everything there is to say to you, John, so unless some new ignorance surfaces I'm done.
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I have to agree with both sides here. I mean Justin it was kinda stupid posting that, even if it was an opinion because you could tell it was gonna spark some **** between John and yourself. And John, I think he didn't mean to diss you as bad as you have taken it (although I agree with a lot of your points). But what do I know?
I think people should post pics and not have to worry about getting hated on. It's ----ing stupid and ignorant. It's a damn PICTURE, not the end of the world. If you don't like someones picture don't reply and make snotty comments toward it.
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I competely agree with you guys on the fact that not all gay guys act the same. Every gay person is an individual with different ways of doing things but I have picked up on some of Justin's insecurities/prejudices against certain types of gay people in prior posts and it pisses me off that he won't admit it.
You vent frustration on certain types of gays because they make feel like a freak. I'm not saying you act fem. but you do have issues with people who are and it is unfair to them. THAT was my issue with you , Justin.
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Originally posted by Guilt Trip
I think people should post pics and not have to worry about getting hated on. It's ----ing stupid and ignorant. It's a damn PICTURE, not the end of the world. If you don't like someones picture don't reply and make snotty comments toward it.
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THANK YOU! God, finally someone with a brain.
Justin, you got accepted to Cornell? Congrats. Bush attened Yale Guess what? Guess what? He's still an IDIOT.
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Originally posted by Virgin *****
Justin, you got accepted to Cornell? Congrats. Bush attened Yale Guess what? Guess what? He's still an IDIOT.
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There's a difference between getting in because you have money and a legacy (Bush) and getting in because of your achievements and intelligence.
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Originally posted by GoldenBoy
Oh and last time I checked, spelling has nothing to do with literacy. I also just got in to Cornell so you can suck it.
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Randomly, my sister just got in there too and it would be funny if you guys became friends or something. Congrats, man.
So I read this thread on Bart's advice and I still understand where Justin is coming from and it sucks that he's getting crazy hassled for all of the crap.
Also, Nick got it with the ghetto black people thing.
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