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Poll: Should obese people have to pay more for health insurance?
View Poll Results: Should they?
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Yes
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No
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Member Since: 12/14/2006
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they'll likely die sooner so let them enjoy their money
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Member Since: 10/22/2010
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Originally posted by NE.
I'm so tired of the fat-shaming, condescending queens on this site thinking they're above somebody because they're so proud to have the body of a 12-year old girl.
Obesity is influenced by genetics. If you're going to charge people for being obese, you might as well charge white people more because they're likely to develop skin cancer or gay men because they're more likely to contract STDs.
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Yes because people in cave man times were walking around with 6 chins like the Walmart people.
Keep trying though sis, but the truth is obese people are 99.9% that way because they are slobs with no self respect or work ethic
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You guys are just awful people, that's all. Plain awful
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Originally posted by Reader
Influenced by, not caused by. The primary cause of obesity is not eating healthily and greed.
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Greed?
So now apparently suffering from binge eating disorders is now a character flaw?
Wow, the media has really got some of ya'll messed up. Many people, especially minority groups who are residentially segregated and marginalized to lower income areas do not have access nor the funds to healthy food options, nor have the time between a busy work schedule and child rearing, or facilities in their areas to maintain a quality diet and exercise.
So educate yourself before you start telling people why their bodies are the way they are.
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Member Since: 10/19/2010
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Originally posted by NE.
Greed?
So now apparently suffering from binge eating disorders is now a character flaw?
Wow, the media has really got some of ya'll messed up. Many people, especially minority groups who are residentially segregated and marginalized to lower income areas do not have access nor the funds to healthy food options, nor have the time between a busy work schedule and child rearing, or facilities in their areas to maintain a quality diet and exercise.
So educate yourself before you start telling people why their bodies are the way they are.
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Here we are with the genetic card: "it's my genes!"
**orders a triple cheeseburger and the biggest ice cream tub**
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by MP2K
You guys are just awful people, that's all. Plain awful
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ATRL is teaming of depressed, insecure teenagers and young adults and for many of them their malnourished looking bodies are one the only things they feel they have to take pride in.
I'll let some ya'll have this one.
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Originally posted by MadelineXPepito
No. There are too many factors to obesity that it can't simply be summed up "just eat less/excercise". It is usually caused by a mental illness - depression very often leads to binge eating and bulimia - or bad habits that were given by irresponsibe mothers and fathers at a very early age.
Being side-eyed on the streets doesn't help either, it actually makes things worse.
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This generation is so weak.
We are always looking to blame and never take responsibility for our own actions. Obesity sufferers would lose weight if they made a concerted effort over time. The way we have normalized obesity in the West is alarming to say the least.
How can it be right that we have parts of the world where people are dying because they eat too much, and the opposite happening elsewhere? Market forces obvs, but it's deeply wrong.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Reader
The way we have normalized obesity in the West is alarming to say the least.
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obesity isn't limited to the west AT ALL though
obesity rates in developing countries are skyrocketing
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Originally posted by NE.
Greed?
So now apparently suffering from binge eating disorders is now a character flaw?
Wow, the media has really got some of ya'll messed up. Many people, especially minority groups who are residentially segregated and marginalized to lower income areas do not have access nor the funds to healthy food options, nor have the time between a busy work schedule and child rearing, or facilities in their areas to maintain a quality diet and exercise.
So educate yourself before you start telling people why their bodies are the way they are.
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I do not understand how this would prevent someone from purchasing breakfast cereals, for instance and making soups and stews from raw ingredients that would be nutritious and filling. It may not be the tastiest diet, but it could actually prolong lives in cases. Food education needs to be a thing that we take seriously in the West.
It's easier to say, oh well everything's stacked up against me, so I won't try.
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Wooooooow atrl never fails to surpris me
Some of you are awful ppl,simply awful wooow
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Originally posted by xclusivestylesz
they'll likely die sooner so let them enjoy their money
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Jesus.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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Originally posted by NE.
Greed?
So now apparently suffering from binge eating disorders is now a character flaw?
Wow, the media has really got some of ya'll messed up. Many people, especially minority groups who are residentially segregated and marginalized to lower income areas do not have access nor the funds to healthy food options, nor have the time between a busy work schedule and child rearing, or facilities in their areas to maintain a quality diet and exercise.
So educate yourself before you start telling people why their bodies are the way they are.
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You don't have to be rich to get outside and run a couple laps
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This thread is a disaster
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Member Since: 10/19/2010
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Originally posted by Reader
I do not understand how this would prevent someone from purchasing breakfast cereals, for instance and making soups and stews from raw ingredients that would be nutritious and filling. It may not be the tastiest diet, but it could actually prolong lives in cases. Food education needs to be a thing that we take seriously in the West.
It's easier to say, oh well everything's stacked up against me, so I won't try.
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have you ever shopped in a supermarket? you do realize that raw ingredients are always the most expensive one's? living healthy is expensive as ****.
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Member Since: 12/14/2006
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Originally posted by velocity
have you ever shopped in a supermarket? you do realize that raw ingredients are always the most expensive one's? living healthy is expensive as ****.
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exercise is free tho
You deserve the same level of health care as someone who's not obesed, but damn i'd rather you get up your ass more often- if that meant my premium would be lower.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by Reader
I do not understand how this would prevent someone from purchasing breakfast cereals, for instance and making soups and stews from raw ingredients that would be nutritious and filling. It may not be the tastiest diet, but it could actually prolong lives in cases. Food education needs to be a thing that we take seriously in the West.
It's easier to say, oh well everything's stacked up against me, so I won't try.
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Did my post fly completely over your head?
There are literally inner city residents in poor areas that do NOT have access to fresh produce and other raw ingredients. And studies have shown that when these options are actually available in these areas, they are sold at higher prices compared to affluent areas and are not affordable to most residents. Please stop talking based off of your own theory, because even you realize you don't know what you are talking about.
It's one thing to have the finances, time, and access to healthy foods and gym memberships and choose not to utilize them. And it's another to be a single parent working 80 hours a week doing cheap labor just to pay the rent and put enough food on the table to feed yourself and your children. Hell, many of these families don't even have gas in their homes to cook on a stove and cannot afford to pay $50 for raw ingredients, when they can afford to pay $8.99 for a fast food meal that will feed the whole family enough calories to keep them full for the day. It's not ideal, but these are some of the living conditions that people have to deal with.
You can't just oversimplify an entire epidemic to "laziness" and "greed".
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Originally posted by NE.
Did my post fly completely over your head?
There are literally inner city residents in poor areas that do NOT have access to fresh produce and other raw ingredients. And studies have shown that when these options are actually available in these areas, they are sold at higher prices compared to affluent areas and are not affordable to most residents. Please stop talking based off of your own theory, because even you realize you don't know what you are talking about.
It's one thing to have the finances, time, and access to healthy foods and gym memberships and choose not to utilize them. And it's another to be a single parent working 80 hours a week doing cheap labor just to pay the rent and put enough food on the table to feed yourself and your children.
You can't just oversimplify an entire epidemic to "laziness" and "greed".
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I get that it is easier and cheaper to eat unhealthily. If I was obese, as in, my life was in danger because of what I was eating and my lifestyle - I would probably be looking to make it a priority to fix it ASAP. That is not the case in the West, where we are accepting of a serious health condition reaching epidemic levels as normal.
There is nothing stopping the person in your hypothetical scenario from cutting portion sizes for their family (under guidance of a physician ideally) and making healthier choices where possible, knocking a few lbs off slowly and steadily.
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Member Since: 10/19/2010
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Originally posted by xclusivestylesz
exercise is free tho
You deserve the same level of health care as someone who's not obesed, but damn i'd rather you get up your ass more often- if that meant my premium would be lower.
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what exercise is free though? the only one i can think of is running and obese people should not run. it would ruin their knees and feet + nvm that they'd need good shoes for running which are expensive. also people with low income most likely already work physically demanding jobs or 2-3 jobs. they have got kids to take care of and stuff to do. some people geniunly don't have time to work out.
also just because you're skinny doesn't mean you're healthy. a girl from my work literally only eats **** full of sugar and bad stuff. has a great body though. the weight means nothing.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by velocity
have you ever shopped in a supermarket? you do realize that raw ingredients are always the most expensive one's? living healthy is expensive as ****.
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Which is why no one is saying that people with high blood pressure or high levels of cholesterol should pay more. Yes, if you're poor you're more likely to be worse health-wise given that the food that you can afford is slightly lethal. However, obesity comes from the over-consumption of food of any kind. Consensual obesity that's not the result of a disease of course. Sorry, just like smokers pay more for health insurance and get lectured every time they want to buy a ****ing cigarette, someone should tell obese people that what they're doing is wrong and it's often other members of society that end up paying their medical bills for no reason. Imagine if all the money that went into the health care of consensually obese people actually went into treating people with advanced cases of cancer because the obese people in question would now provide an extra amount of money for their own health care.
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