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Celeb News: Lady Gaga will lead rally against "Don't ask, Don't tell"
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
Have you ever thought how uncomfortable and awkward it would be for straight soldiers knowing that there are Gays around them? And not simply due to the fact that they 'hate' Gays.
Also, is it really that important for Gays to go to the military? Really?
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WOW just WOW.
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Originally posted by Roman
Duca must have a lot of war experience to be so certain that sexual distractions are even possible in the middle of a battlefield.
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What he meant was that the feeling that they might have for each other might cause them prejudice on a battlefield. ( not that I agree with him)
But I do agree that that law was not based on hatred, it was just ignorant people that thought gay men will cause distractions to the soldiers just like they thought the same about the women before. It was a long way too before any woman got accepted on the military.
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Originally posted by MonstahNL
You make it sound like gay people don't want to serve their country as much as straight people.
Which is plain stupid.
Their sexual oriëntation shouldn't effect ANYTHING.
And just the fact that a straight guy would think that is ridiculous.
I don't even know what to say.
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Don't judge straight people just because of RudeBoy's post, he's completely ignorant, homophobic, and discriminative. The worst part is that he doesn't even realize he's these things.
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Member Since: 6/20/2010
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Originally posted by Aliens & Rainbows
Don't judge straight people just because of RudeBoy's post, he's completely ignorant, homophobic, and discriminative. The worst part is that he doesn't even realize he's these things.
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I don't judge straight people. I don't judge anybody.
My English isn't that good, so I didn't quite know how to explain it.
But what I ment was, that not all straight people think that way.
I totally agree with Celestial's post.
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Well at least people are talking about it.
That's always good. 
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Member Since: 9/10/2010
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Originally posted by Duca
****ING DECEASED 
She is sooo exploiting the LGBT community that it's getting ridiculous.  Not to mention that she often refers to them as to her only fans.
There IS a reason why gay people should not be in the army and the reason IS NOT discrimination.  Do ya'll really think that at least a third of those guys wouldn't have a crush on at least one of those guys or even be engaged in a relationship with a guy from their troop? Those crushes could cost them their lives on the field, cause there's almost a 100% chance that they get distracted by that one person for a second, which could be fatal.
This bitch is such an exploiter and an attention ***** and most people praise her like she's a God. |
You're totally right, and we shouldn't even integrate the military because black and white soldiers will just fight each other and never get along.
I'm not here for some fear-based scenario. Say what you want about Gaga (indeed a proud attention *****) but a gay person can be just as easily distracted as a straight person. As an American I want anyone who is willing to serve to have the right to do so.
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I can't believe that in the 21st century sexuality is still a topic that causes so much division. It's such a simple thing, yet it causes so many problems because some ignorant people can't accept it. What difference does it make if someone prefers their own gender over the opposite one? Love is Love. Homophobic people hold far too much influence in this world, it's disgraceful. 
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Originally posted by MonstahNL
I don't judge straight people. I don't judge anybody.
My English isn't that good, so I didn't quite know how to explain it.
But what I ment was, that not all straight people think that way.
I totally agree with Celestial's post. |
Your English is great. 
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Member Since: 9/5/2010
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Originally posted by BnPac
WOW just WOW.
What he meant was that the feeling that they might have for each other might cause them prejudice on a battlefield. (not that I agree with him)
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It's combat. Grenades, dust and loud SMGs everywhere. "How do I get him into bed tonight" or "I wonder what that gay dude thinks of me" are not exactly on anyone's mind. At least in my opinion.
But let's see who is correct about a heterosexual soldier's point of view - RudeBoy or heterosexual soldiers:
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A 2006 Zogby International poll of military members found that 26% favor of gays serving in the military, 37% opposed, and 37% expressed no preference or were unsure. Of the respondents who had experience with gays in their unit, 6% said their presence had a positive impact on their personal morale, 66% said no impact, and 28% said negative impact. Likewise, regarding overall unit morale, 3% said positive impact, 64% no impact, and 27% negative impact. As for respondents uncertain whether they had served with gay personnel, 2% thought gays would have a positive effect on personal morale, while 29% thought that they would have no impact and 48% thought that they would have a negative effect. Likewise, regarding overall unit morale, 2% thought that gays would have a positive effect on overall unit morale, 26% thought they would have no effect, and 58% thought they would have a negative effect. More generally, 73% of respondents said that they felt comfortable in the presence of gay and lesbian personnel.
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You could argue that there are results that imply a lot of soldiers think it would have negative impact, but in all the polls with soldiers that had actual experience with gays/lesbians, the results are positive.
a few other quotes from psychologists:
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American Psychological Association states:
Empirical evidence fails to show that sexual orientation is germane to any aspect of military effectiveness including unit cohesion, morale, recruitment and retention (Belkin, 2003; Belkin & Bateman, 2003; Herek, Jobe, & Carney, 1996; MacCoun, 1996; National Defense Research Institute, 1993).
Comparative data from foreign militaries and domestic police and fire departments show that when lesbians, gay men and bisexuals are allowed to serve openly there is no evidence of disruption or loss of mission effectiveness (Belkin & McNichol, 2000–2001; Gade, Segal, & Johnson, 1996; Koegel, 1996).
When openly gay, lesbian and bisexual individuals have been allowed to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces (Cammermeyer v. Aspin, 1994; Watkins v. United States Army, 1989/1990), there has been no evidence of disruption or loss of mission effectiveness.
The U.S. military is capable of integrating members of groups historically excluded from its ranks, as demonstrated by its success in reducing both racial and gender discrimination (Binkin & Bach, 1977; Binkin, Eitelberg, Schexnider, & Smith, 1982; Kauth & Landis, 1996; Landis, Hope, & Day, 1984; Thomas & Thomas, 1996).
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and public opinion?
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A February 2010 Quinnipiac University national poll shows 57% of American voters favor gays serving openly, compared to 36% opposed, and 66% say the current policy of not allowing openly gay personnel to serve is discrimination, opposed to 31% who see no discrimination. A CBS News/New York Times national poll done at the same time shows 58% of Americans favor gays serving openly, compared to 28% opposed.
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Originally posted by Celestial
What difference does it make if someone prefers their own gender over the opposite one? Love is Love. Homophobic people hold far too much influence in this world, it's disgraceful. |
Celestial bringing the real TRUTH. 
Case closed.
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Member Since: 9/10/2010
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
Have you ever thought how uncomfortable and awkward it would be for straight soldiers knowing that there are Gays around them? And not simply due to the fact that they 'hate' Gays.
Also, is it really that important for Gays to go to the military? Really?
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I'm not here to placate homophobes. If a soldier is being sexually harassed, he or she already has resources to report inappropriate behavior. (Although, those could be stepped up. I've heard of too many cases of straight men harassing women and nothing getting done about it. But I still think straight men have the right to serve  )I'd think they'd be more worried about being killed than lusted over.
And yes it is that important. If it's important enough that all government jobs do not discriminate, then those government jobs shouldn't either.
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Member Since: 6/20/2010
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Originally posted by Celestial
I can't believe that in the 21st century sexuality is still a topic that causes so much division. It's such a simple thing, yet it causes so many problems because some ignorant people can't accept it. What difference does it make if someone prefers their own gender over the opposite one? Love is Love. Homophobic people hold far too much influence in this world, it's disgraceful.
Your English is great. |
Really? Thanks!
And you always deliver the true tea with your posts.
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the little monsters are so intelligent
i love you so much
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Originally posted by BnPac
WOW just WOW.
What he meant was that the feeling that they might have for each other might cause them prejudice on a battlefield. (not that I agree with him)
But I do agree that that law was not based on hatred, it was just ignorant people that thought gay men will cause distractions to the soldiers just like they thought the same about the women before. It was a long way too before any woman got accepted on the military.
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These soldiers are getting blown to pieces and they're scared of gays...
What kind of soldiers... Nevermindddddddddddddddddddddddd.
Although I see that point @ the bold.
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Member Since: 6/20/2010
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Originally posted by love100
the little monsters are so intelligent
i love you so much
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I love the fact that Lady Gaga fans are so open-minded.
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I ****ing can't at people on Twitter...
me: The rally starts in 20 minutes
3225924829 replies: omg do you know what time?... what time in london?
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by Roman
It's combat. Grenades, dust and loud SMGs everywhere. "How do I get him into bed tonight" or "I wonder what that gay dude thinks of me" are not exactly on anyone's mind. At least in my opinion.
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You didn't understand my point at all. I'm totally against what Duca said but the way you understood his post it's not the way he meant it. He was saying that because two soldiers may fall in love with each other, they will be distracted and will care more about the safety of the loved one than the safety of a whole regiment. It means that their feelings might make them weak. I thought my point was pretty clear. That is why I said after that the same reasons were used against the women who wanted to enter the military. People(I say that again ignorant people) were afraid that some soldier may get involved emotionaly with them and be distract.
You act as though as I said I was OK with that opinion.  .
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Originally posted by BnPac
You didn't understand my point at all. I'm totally against what Duca said but the way you understood his post it's not the way he meant it. He was saying that because two soldiers may fall in love with each other, they will be distracted and will care more about the safety of the loved one than the safety of a whole regiment. It means that their feelings might make them weak. I thought my point was pretty clear. That is why I said after that the same reasons were used against the women who wanted to enter the military. People(I say that again ignorant people) were afraid that some soldier may get involved emotionaly with them and be distract.
You act as though as I said I was OK with that opinion. . |
No no I did see your remark that you don't agree with it
my post was only directed at the people who claim exactly these things and the quotes I presented do address issues like combat efficiency and soldiers' opinions on the matter 
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In before the lock.
And I've read some of the dumbest comments just in this thread alone. How can you say gays can't be involved with relationships, I bet half of the straight guys have been crushing on the women they see in the field. How is it any different? And what does being gay have to do with going to the military. Whoever said "Is it really necessary for gays to be in the military", you're acting like they're a completely different animal. There's plenty of people who want to be in the military, and their sexuality has nothing to do with that. They just want to fight for their country.
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Originally posted by Kirill
I ****ing can't at people on Twitter...
me: The rally starts in 20 minutes
3225924829 replies: omg do you know what time?... what time in london?
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