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TV Show: Pretty Little Liars | The Final Season
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Originally posted by Surfboardt
Your picture is blocked in my office so can you type it out. The boy is Jason and the girl is A, so Ali si not yet born?
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Does this work?
http://i.imgur.com/wdR4H0i.png
If you can't see it, there's a crib in the vault room and it has a baby in it, which represents Alison.
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Originally posted by waryofothers
Does this work?
http://i.imgur.com/wdR4H0i.png
If you can't see it, there's a crib in the vault room and it has a baby in it, which represents Alison. |
Oooh I see it now. Mind is blown!!
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Episode counts aside from the PLLs, their main-ish love interests, and Mona (going from S5 back through S1), with at least 2 eps in each season from 3-5:
Ashley Marin 12/13/13/22/18
Veronica Hastings 10/10/7/7/7
PAige 9/10/11/2/6
MelissA 6/3/7/10/11
Ella Montgomery 4/3/13/19/16
JennA 3/3/8/13/15
Byron Montgomery 2/3/9/15/16
Cece DrAke 2/3/6/0/0
ShAna 2/6/4/0/0
Whoever A is really OUGHT to appear in at least 2 freaking episodes per season. The only males who qualify then are Byron, Ezra, Toby, and Caleb, and I don't think it's any of them...
The non-family members (not that it disqualifies them from being A) with multiple eps in each season are thus Ali, Ezra/Toby/Caleb, Mona, Paige, and Jenna.
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Like after telling us this is the biggest reveal and tell us we'd be able to piece A's identity, this bitch is going to tell us there's an uber A. What the **** is an uber A? You either have A and A's apprentice or just one A. What else? A super A?
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What do you think Andrew's relation to A is?
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The whole trans A thing is gonna be SO messy, i can see it getting a lot of backlash, a lot of people are rejected by their family who can't accept them for who they are, they don't all turn into psychopaths hellbent on ruining their sisters lives because they're jealous of them 
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What do you think Andrew's relation to A is?
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Childhood friend that is best friends with Charles.
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Imo, I think we're looking at it wrong. We are to believe that Jason has a twin, but if you closely watch the home video, only one of the boys kissed the little girl. Mrs. D said "kiss your sister". I think Charles was the one kissing the little girl (that girl is Bethany and not Ali because Ali isn't born yet). Mrs. D & Toby's mom are sisters, and Mrs. D was just watching her nephew and niece. That other boy may or may not be Jason. It could be Andrew, or yeah it could be Jason and that's his cousin. Those boys look nothing alike btw. I'm a strong believer that Wren is Charles, and he either hates everyone for treating Bethany wrong, or he wants to be a girl (that's a stretch honestly). If Bethany is alive, then Sara is actually in the grave, and both of them are working together as Big A & Black Widow/Red Coat to get revenge for being shut out from the family, and sent away and separated. If Bethany is dead, then maybe Melissa is working with Wren or Wren is blackmailing her. Andrew knows everything because like I said he might be the twin of Charles. Or it could be a red herring and he's protecting the girls. But we'll see.
Sorry for the long post. Highlighted most important stuff. Some stuff are off, and I wonder how Beach Hottie fits into because I originally thought it was Wren, but he might have no relation to Spencer and Ali depending on how they fit everything in.
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So now we know Neilan is working for A, right? So now we know that in the Christmas episode, A (NOT Mona) instructed Neilan to give the blueprints of Alison's home to the girls so they could go in her house and find the evidence A planted in there. Later in the episode, CeCe tells Alison that the girls broke into Alison's home and have a plan in motion. How does she know this? Because CeCe is the one that sent Neilan to give them the blueprints so they would go into Alison's house and find the evidence that would make her look even more guilty.
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Charlotte Drake is coming.
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Why do you girls want Cece to be A so badly 
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Originally posted by Ethereal
Why do you girls want Cece to be A so badly |
Because she is the HBIC. 
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Cece Drake, Jason DiLaurentis, Bethany Young, Charles DiLaurentis, Marion Cavanaugh, Kenneth DiLaurentis, Jessica Dilaurentis, Alison DiLaurentis, Toby Cavanaugh.
In this post I will cover the beginnings of A, the middle, and the end. The people I listed above are all related in some way or another so, I will start there. This is more for the story line than proof, if you want physical facts that Cece is A I suggest you go to my other tumblr post here: http://theplltheorist.tumblr.com/pos...s-big-a-theory
The Beginning
Kenneth DiLaurentis is the father of Cece Drake/Charles DiLaurentis (is transgender) and the (possible) father of twins Bethany Young and Toby Cavanaugh, their mother is Marion Cavanaugh. (all three)
Jessica Dilaurentis is the mother of Jason DiLaurentis (whose father is Peter Hastings) and Alison DiLaurentis (whose father is Kenneth)
Here we go, guys… It all leads back to Radley, I never understood why until now. In the beginning, there were two affairs, Jessica had an affair with Peter Hastings which produced Jason Dilaurentis, and Kenneth Dilaurentis had an affair with Marion Cavanaugh, since their ages are similar Cece (Charles) and Jason would be the same age. Approximately a year and a half or so after, Marion became pregnant with Toby and Bethany either by Daniel Cavanaugh or Kenneth Dilaurentis, either way making Toby, Cece (Charles), and Bethany half-siblings by their mother Marion. This would also make Jason and Cece (Charles) not related in any way by blood (I know y’all were worried about incest, so… That solves that problem!)
Now, the haunted house that the girls pass by in “The First Secret” was the original home to Charles (Cece), Bethany, and Toby and this is where our story begins… I believe since Jessica DiLaurentis was pregnant with Peter Hasting’s child, Kenneth may have just began seeing her, after a while Kenneth probably divorced Marion leaving him with partial custody of Charles. According to the timeline, Jessica probably told Ken that Jason was his so that he would leave Marion. It worked, but only after Marion became pregnant with Bethany and Toby (Possibly by Kenneth). So, since knowing that Marion was pregnant, he was probably seeing Marion and Charles as often as he could and then… The twins were born.
I’m going back to the twin story that Alison told, it was right and also wrong at the same time… Here’s how. The two blonde girls in the story were Bethany and Cece (Charles), I’m guessing Cece told Alison the story because she depicted herself as a girl playing with dolls as a child. Now, which one stabbed the other? Bethany stabbed Cece (Charles) because he was always stealing her dolls and playing with them because he wanted to be a girl and do girl things as Bethany did. After Bethany hurt Charles she was sent to Radley, and that’s where she stayed, It made sense that Toby wouldn’t have remembered a twin because he was probably very young when it all happened.
So, in the video (5x25) Mr. DiLaurentis most likely had a visiting day with the children and Jessica saying “You wanna say goodnight to your sister? Give her a little kiss!” She was only saying it to one of the little boys, which was Charles. The baby? Bethany. The other boy could’ve been Jason because of the time period and the fact Mr. Hastings said he used to take the girls there, he could’ve taken Jason and Jessica there as well. Or even possibly Andrew, I have a feeling the two know each other and have a history even though their ages would be screwed up.
Here’s where Radley comes into play, Bethany was in Radley for an extended period of time (from child to death), she had no idea about Kenneth and Jessica being married, no idea about Charles becoming Cece… None of it. Marion was a nurse at Radley, most likely to keep an eye on Bethany as she grew and eventually would become a patient herself.
Here’s where it all began. Mr. Dilaurentis most likely abused Charles as a child either mentally or physically, or both because he desired to be a girl, even as a child. It wouldn’t surprise me whatsoever if Charles was put up for adoption, and sometime later would become Cece Drake, returning to Rosewood.
No one knew her because Charles Dilaurentis was gone and now she identified herself as Cece Drake, she befriended Alison (who is her younger half-sister) and treated her like the sister she wish she had from childhood. Now, here’s where it gets interesting, in Season 4 episode 10, Spencer and Hanna go to talk to Mrs. DiLaurentis and ask if Dr. Palmer was her psychologist at Radley, Jessica replies “No” and then a flashback begins… She comes into the house flaming made saying she got a call from Radley saying that “Your daughter is here, she wants to stay with us.”
Initially, I thought Cece went there as Alison to get Ali in trouble… That’s not the case at all. Cece went to Radley to get to Bethany because BETHANY killed Marion for putting her in there the first place, which is why she wwitnessed her mother falling off the roof, she was pushed. She went there to fool Bethany into thinking she was Alison DiLaurentis, telling Bethany that her father (Kenneth Dilaurentis) remarried to Jessica and that she was their daughter. Bethany was furious, she hated “Alison” and Mrs. Dilaurentis for taking her “perfect family” away from her. It explains why her sessions suddenly turned violent, prompting one of her sessions to be recorded like this
“Bethany’s is angry today, much more than usual. She is verbalizing her anger as expressing it in body language. She is said how angry she is. How she used a happy family and how “she” came along and ruined it all. She can never go home now. She kept repeating, “I thought she really liked me. But everything she ever said to me was a lie”. Bethany kept mentioning “she”. After probing Bethany finally admit that she’s talking about Jessica DiLaurentis. According to Bethany, her father is having an affair with Mrs. DiLaurentis.”
Bethany had no idea Jessica was being nice to her because her father (Kenneth) was her husband. She later says in 5x12 on a recording “Is it like mother like daughter?” She hated Alison and Jessica with a burning passion for taking the family she had. Thus begun her hatred towards Jessica, it explains the violent drawings, depicting Jessica as a monster, stealing her father (Kenneth) away from her.
Up to that point, Jessica was keeping an eye on Bethany, she had cared for her as a child and felt somewhat responsible for her (and why she told her to call her “Aunt Jess” and took her out on outings), just like how she cared for Charles. Jessica cared for Charles and supported him being transgender, hence the two yellow dresses (They could’ve easily been two different sizes) which Kenneth didn’t support, which is why in 5x13 Mrs. Dilaurentis said for Ali to only say she saw one dress or else “Daddy will leave us” because Kenneth wasn’t supportive of Charles’ desire to be female.
Now… We skip to the night it all happened… Labor Day 2009. At this point, Cece had been seeing Bethany and sending her things pretending she was Alison, planning to lure Bethany out of Radley and kill her for what she had done to Marion. Alison was never the target, Bethany was, and Bethany wanted to get revenge on Mrs. Dilaurentis and Alison for taking her family away from her. So, here’s what happened.
Bethany hit Alison in front of Mrs. DiLaurentis thinking it was Cece (because she had no idea Cece was just playing Alison since the two were supposed to be in similar clothing) and Mrs. Dilaurentis buried Alison for Bethany (because she felt was responsible for her), then Cece killed Bethany (in revenge for killing their mother, Marion), and Melissa buried her.
Now, getting to Sara Harvey, Mona killed her the day after Alison left because she needed to make everyone believe that Ali was really dead. Because, why would Alison come back? Her duty was done, she got Ali out of town like she wanted. She didn’t know that Bethany was already buried in her place, so she needed another body to dress Alison up as if it were ever found.
The Middle
This is where everything starts for the new Big A, starting with season 3, in episode 3x01 Mona is in Radley, while she’s in there she hallucinates Alison in a red coat reading “Lolita”, we know this isn’t correct because in 4x01 “A is for A-L-I-V-E: Mona says she thought it was Alison, but it turned out to be Cece.
Here’s the thing, Alison doesn’t seem like the book reading type, she never has, every book reference Ezra used, Alison had no idea who they were. I suspect Alison told Cece that she was getting harrassed and Cece came up with Alison’s “Vivian Darkbloom” (anagram for Vladimir Nabokov)and has created every single alias Alison has ever had. She created her passports, her fake ID’s, etc. and the Holly Varjak identity as well, which explains why Alison had no idea who Varjak was and why Cece knew about Vivian Darkbloom.
Now, Marlene has said that in 4x12 “Now You See Me, Now You Don’t” she gave us a huge hint by calling the mime “The Great Charlemagne” which if you look at it, Charlemagne is another name for Charles. Since 3x01 to this episode, A took the form of a woman in a red coat wearing an Alison mask, forcing Mona do things for her, such as digging up Bethany’s body etc. (for more proof go to my other cece theory this one is more for story.)
It’s also worth taking into consideration Cece is the only one on the entire show that chose a job surrounded by mannequins, dressing people up as dolls is her literal JOB.
Now… We get to Toby. It bewildered me that A was willing to help him find out what really happened to his mother… Why would A want to help someone that was playing for the other side? Then it hit me… Cece and Toby are brother and sister, she knew what really happened to their mother and she wanted to give Toby the tools to figure out she was murdered by his unstable twin, Bethany. This is how she knew so much about Marion, from the songs she used to play as a child to every detail that would convince Toby to investigate. I have a theory as to why the “T” is always capitalized, either it stands for Toby or Transgender.
The thing Cece does is unique… She takes those that were tortured by the liars, Toby, Mona, Lucas, etc. and gives them a chance for revenge and to find out the truth. She gets stabbed in the back by people who should understand her. Which, is why Mona was put on the chopping block after she turned on her and didn’t go after Toby as much.
During the finale (5x25) A wanted them to recreate a prom from seven years ago… Ironically… The year Cece was crowned Prom Queen (and of course she’s in Drama and Debate club..)
The End
Now, the biggest question of all… Why go after the liars? To that, I’d say examine why Mona went after the liars after Alison was out of the picture. The liars were as bad, if not worse than Alison because the stood by while everything happened, they made fun of Mona, Lucas, etc. simply by participating and not speaking up when something happened. Being Transgender, especially surrounded by people who don’t accept you, simply by being true to yourself, is the worst kind of rejection and tortured as child, she simply wanted to be loved for who she was and her father wouldn’t give that to her.It’s why she’s obsessed with dolls, she wanted to be like them, she wanted to dress like them, but was told it was wrong by everyone around her, she never had a childhood.
And here’s the funny thing… When you think about what Alison did, she was trying to force people to tell the truth. Making Paige come out, have Melissa find out about Ian cheating, have Mr. Montgomery tell Ella about his affair, make Mona live to her utmost potential, even if she was a bitch while doing it. I think Alison was always Cece’s favorite not only because she was the younger sister she always wanted but she forced people to be unapologetic-ally themselves, and face those consequences head on.
But, there’s the other side to her that sees the liars and Alison as every single person that told her she was a freak as a child for being transgender and hates them for it.
I never thought I would sympathize with A/Cece, but I finally understand why she is the way she is. Miss Drake, I respect you.
If you guys have trouble keeping up with who is related to who, I created a guide that’s easy to figure out, pink is for mother, blue for father, and green for possible father.
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PLL solved.  
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Cece being A is just boring. 
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Cece DrAke 2/3/6/0/0
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nnnnn she really hasn't been in any episodes the past 2 seasons? 
I can't at the fans putting more thought into this than the writers. When A is finally revealed there is gonna be no clear explanation like they said we'd get.
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that CeCe is A/Charles Theory 
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When A is finally revealed there is gonna be no clear explanation like they said we'd get.
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this!
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Originally posted by ALA
nnnnn she really hasn't been in any episodes the past 2 seasons?
I can't at the fans putting more thought into this than the writers. When A is finally revealed there is gonna be no clear explanation like they said we'd get. |
She was in 4x11, 4x12, 4x24, 5x01, and 5x13 officially.
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seriously, Season 6 should be the last one!
and to make it epic, A should be someone TOTALLY unexpected!!!!
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So bethanny is Ali's sister ???
I forget the storyline
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I don't think even the writers want to think that far. That is an entirely different show.
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