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Discussion: How will history remember FF, BTW & 4?
Member Since: 12/22/2009
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Originally posted by Auraeolus
In brief ,
Born This Way - Major turning point, experimental style, cultural impact,
Femme Fatale- Solid "Britney album" but overshadowed by previous work
4 - A little early for credible projections. End of Time will be the deciding factor on its impact.
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ya no!
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Member Since: 6/15/2010
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Originally posted by Chemist
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Her fans were so happy she debuted at #1 then the second week jayz and the beatles were like "OOP bitch back to the top 15" ![ahh](images/smilies/images/smilies/ahh.gif) .
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Member Since: 6/23/2011
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I think 'BTW' will be marked as a turning point for GaGa. I see her incorporating more rock influences in future albums.
'FF' has some really good production and incorporates some harder electro stuff and lite dubstep.
Haven't really listened to '4' yet.
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Member Since: 8/8/2006
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Originally posted by DG1
I've never heard 'Blackout' Lemme go listen to see what all this fuss is about...
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Meh, dodn't even try and come back with your weak and already known review
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Originally posted by Sunlighter
Yes.
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Don't forget the fact that Elvis was extremely controversial during his time for his sexual dance moves.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by BnPac
He just sang the songs of black writers that couldn't pass on radio.
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Yep, but let's not go too far into this.
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Member Since: 2/6/2010
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Originally posted by chris1991
ya no!
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You have got to be kidding me.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Michael Jackson's music has probably reached more demographics (debatable, but I do think this could be true) than The Beatles, but The Beatles' name has reached just as many places as Michael's. Plus, The Beatles are more respected.
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It is not debatable Capt10, Beatles didn't cross to Africa which MJ succeed with brilliance. Because of his skin of course, I'm not delusional. But yeah MJ had that chance.
For real though, as sad as it sounds, Beatles are barely known in Africa. ![:(](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/frown.gif)
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Member Since: 9/23/2009
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Originally posted by DG1
I've never heard 'Blackout' Lemme go listen to see what all this fuss is about...
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Ya'll need to go hear Blackout, then post your reviews afterwards. Try not to pop your ***** out of place.
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Originally posted by jungle juice
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Member Since: 11/29/2006
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let's be honest here...
Femme Fatale has been forgotten already, the charts don't lie
4 will be remembered exactly by which songs? Cause I can't name any right now
BTW will me remembered as the album that made Lady GaGa boring, just like people remember Cyndi Lauper's True Colors or Alanis's Supposed former infatuation junkie these days
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Member Since: 6/15/2010
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Originally posted by BnPac
Plus he was a puppet with barely no artistical merit, let's say the truth. He just sang the songs of black writers that couldn't pass on radio.
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I heard this all the time and always wanted to know about it, but the thread will most likely get locked if we delved deep into it ![dies](images/smilies/images/smilies/dies.gif) .
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Member Since: 9/23/2009
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People like Beyonce stans would like Blackout the most, yet some say they've never heard it. ![too funny](images/smilies/images/smilies/priceless.gif)
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Member Since: 9/28/2009
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Originally posted by BnPac
Superior in terms of what exactly? Because he sure he is not in term of singles impact, albums impact (remember elvis was more of a singles artist) and definately was not in terms of critics. But he did bring that whole stage personna and he was the first real popstar. But I think The Beatles are far superior to him. Plus he was a puppet with barely no artistical merit, let's say the truth. He just sang the songs of black writers that couldn't pass on radio.
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No, not the things we measure on ATRL. Elvis was the beginning of pop music as a commodity to be consumed by the masses - of Top 40 radio - of Billboard. Before parents were disapproving of the Beatles, they were disapproving of Elvis. The first genuine cultural sensation to go out to promote songs and perform them on television shows (you know - we've kept on doing that since then). Idk, the writers of the history textbooks do a better job at explaining it. He carries a significance in US history that certainly matches the Beatles - 'superior' was poor wording; it doesn't convey the idea correctly.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Yep, but let's not go too far into this.
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I know I just couldn't help it. I won't go there don't you worry.
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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Originally posted by Chemist
U sure?
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Do you have proof otherwise, fagg?
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A determining factor in how these albums will be remembered is what they do as a follow-up.
If Beyonce & Gaga continue to ignore the importance of singles, they'll start to fade, and both 4 and BTW will be remembered as the catalyst. Especially Gaga, since Beyonce's place in music is much firmer.
But if they go back to making commercial hit albums, then both BTW and 4 will be viewed as proof that they can step out of their comfort zone, experiment, and still survive.
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Member Since: 12/22/2009
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Originally posted by Rigged
let's be honest here...
Femme Fatale has been forgotten already, the charts don't lie (CHECK)
4 will be remembered exactly by which songs? Cause I can't name any right now (CHECK)
BTW will me remembered as the album that made Lady GaGa boring, just like people remember Cyndi Lauper's True Colors or Alanis's Supposed former infatuation junkie these days (CHECK)
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Member Since: 12/22/2009
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Originally posted by GaGaFan
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You have got to be kidding me.
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Nope, Its a good record and all, but it its not culturally impacting anything.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rigged
let's be honest here...
Femme Fatale has been forgotten already, the charts don't lie
4 will be remembered exactly by which songs? Cause I can't name any right now
BTW will me remembered as the album that made Lady GaGa boring, just like people remember Cyndi Lauper's True Colors or Alanis's Supposed former infatuation junkie these days
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![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif) @ all of this
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by BnPac
Superior in terms of what exactly? Because he sure he is not in term of singles impact, albums impact (remember elvis was more of a singles artist) and definately was not in terms of critics. But he did bring that whole stage personna and he was the first real popstar. But I think The Beatles are far superior to him. Plus he was a puppet with barely no artistical merit, let's say the truth. He just sang the songs of black writers that couldn't pass on radio.
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Originally posted by £100
No, not the things we measure on ATRL. Elvis was the beginning of pop music as a commodity to be consumed by the masses - of Top 40 radio - of Billboard. Before parents were disapproving of the Beatles, they were disapproving of Elvis. The first genuine cultural sensation to go out to promote songs and perform them on television shows (you know - we've kept on doing that since then). Idk, the writers of the history textbooks do a better job at explaining it. He carries a significance in US history that certainly matches the Beatles - 'superior' was poor wording; it doesn't convey the idea correctly.
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Yeah that we agree on. The right word will be more worshipped and the closest a star could EVER come to God, and will always be more emblematic than them. But superior he was NOT.
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