[Cas]

Originally posted by geo

A new poll has support for Scottish independence at "just" 52%. Once the Brexit drama settles down, and reality hits that they'd be an extremely poor country having to commit to the Euro and Schengen, I'm confident they won't go for it.

And the tomorrow's poll might say 60%. Scots really want OUT the UK.
And are you keep repeating some predictions as if they were facts?

[geo]

Originally posted by Reader

Right after the Scottish referendum, yes.

Cornwall or Kernow as they would be known have wanted some sort of independence for a while but Yorkshire was new to me. They see themselves as separate which was the basis I assume. It'd never happen - tho who knows these days - but I don't think ATRL realises things weren't all rosey and perfect prior to the Brexit.

I agree, I don't think there's any chance of even Cornwall seceding. Regardless of local identities, overall I'm sure most people see themselves as part of England.

I think more localised power across the country is inevitable though. I'm not sure how I'd feel about that. I guess it's what happens when you have an extremely long, complicated and varied history.

[RihannaRTT]

Queen Nicola's gonna veto it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-36633244

[geo]

Originally posted by Cas

And the tomorrow's poll might say 60%. Scots really want OUT the UK.
And are you keep repeating some predictions as if they were facts?

Every new EU country has to pledge to join the Euro and Schengen. That is a fact.

[LadyDiana]

Originally posted by geo

A new poll has support for Scottish independence at "just" 52%. Once the Brexit drama settles down, and reality hits that they'd be an extremely poor country having to commit to the Euro and Schengen, I'm confident they won't go for it.

um that's not true, maybe Boris and his tabloid pals are spreading that, but the polls are showing 60% support, not that polls really matter anymore in UK

anyway I support my claim with sources
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...rt-poll-finds/
https://www.sundaypost.com/news/poli...e-brexit-vote/

[LadyDiana]

ANNE McELVOY: Sorry, Leavers - we'll have to keep free movement following Brexit

For that reason, I would urge Michael Gove and Boris Johnson to rise above any appetite for revenge and invest in their relationship with Berlin. Neither country wants a resumption of bad blood in a century after two wars and with many shared values. And frankly, the Germans are as reasonable as the EU gets in dealing with Britain.
Less than an hour after Cameron announced he would stand down, I interviewed Philip Hammond, the Foreign Secretary. He knows the realities and constraints of our EU dealings inside out.
The price of free trade access to Europe’s large single market will, he told me, be retaining freedom of movement with only cosmetic tweaks. Without that commitment the EU has no reason to keep trade with Britain free of barriers that will do us severe economic damage. That might not be what the jubilant Brexiteers want to hear this weekend. It is nonetheless true.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz4ChW3kXln


at least I agree with something, Germany should not punish UK for leaving, they shuld get the best deal possible, the germans, and then let UK struggle, the struggle will be real

[geo]

Originally posted by LadyDiana

um that's not true, maybe Boris and his tabloid pals are spreading that, but the polls are showing 60% support, not that polls really matter anymore in UK

anyway I support my claim with sources
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...rt-poll-finds/
https://www.sundaypost.com/news/poli...e-brexit-vote/

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/br...ence-qtxt5xgbl

I do trust Panelbase more as a pollster than ScotPulse.

[BlazingLovatic]

At the end of the day, none of these polls mean anything.

There's no point arguing over which one is 'more true'.

[Humunukuapua]

Originally posted by geo

A new poll has support for Scottish independence at "just" 52%. Once the Brexit drama settles down, and reality hits that they'd be an extremely poor country having to commit to the Euro and Schengen, I'm confident they won't go for it.

I really hope so.

[karma police]

[GypsyLife]

Originally posted by geo

Every new EU country has to pledge to join the Euro and Schengen. That is a fact.

On paper but EU has so far not tried to enforce any time plan. Sweden was gonna join but turned in down in a referendum. Poland Czechia and Denmark too but got cold feet after 2008 and 2010 so in theory yes, but realistically, it won't happen.

[Jonathan Peter]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/nigel-farage-350-million-pledge-to-fund-the-nhs-was-a-mistake

How the **** can he be so stupid to lie on National TV, this is probably why people are regretting their votes to Leave already

[FantasyRide]

excuse my ignorance but am i right in questioning who will even want to invoke art. 50?

surely by the time the economy recovers from the effects that politician's legacy will only be invoking the article and ruining the economy?

unless we get a great deal ofc

[GypsyLife]

Originally posted by FantasyRide

excuse my ignorance but am i write in questioning who will even want to invoke art. 50?

surely by the time the economy recovers from the effects that politician's legacy will only be invoking the article and ruining the economy?

unless we get a great deal ofc

Nobody wants to invoke art. 50 atm. They are all passing the hot potato. A Boris nicely said:

"There is no need to invoke article 50"

[Butters]

So no funding for the NHS. And if the UK wants to have full access to the EU market outside of the EU, does it really mean they have to open up their borders anyway because of Schengen? What kind of leverage does the UK have in negotiating with the EU now? Wouldn't the EU want to make an example of the Brits so others don't follow suit?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mments-3660305

[GypsyLife]

Originally posted by Butters

So no funding for the NHS. And if the UK wants to have full access to the EU market outside of the EU, does it really mean they have to open up their borders anyway because of Schengen? What kind of leverage does the UK have in negotiating with the EU now? Wouldn't the EU want to make an example of the Brits so others don't follow suit?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mments-3660305

Reality is setting in for some at least:

"We've all been led to believe that the key issue of this EU referendum, was controlling immigration. If Hannan and the Brexit Tories are now saying they're not going to attempt to control immigration, then it's time for a General Election and a new government because we've been 100% conned... Who knows, maybe we will get a UKIP government after all"

[LuLuDrops]

So UK's "freedom" really won't be a freedom?

[GypsyLife]

Originally posted by LuLuDrops

So UK's "freedom" really won't be a freedom?

If anyone ever believed that, truly, you'd be really naive. The globalisation, trade unions and agreements have become such a big part of our lives you wouldn't be able to get back to "freedom" like in the good old days, ever.

[LuLuDrops]

So a dead Health Service, no changes on immigration, free movement still a requirement - how are those Leave leaders still in office?

[BlazingLovatic]

Originally posted by Butters

So no funding for the NHS. And if the UK wants to have full access to the EU market outside of the EU, does it really mean they have to open up their borders anyway because of Schengen? What kind of leverage does the UK have in negotiating with the EU now? Wouldn't the EU want to make an example of the Brits so others don't follow suit?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mments-3660305

lmao, even the Daily Mail-ers are anti-Leave now