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Discussion: UK may join European Economic Area | EU Referendum
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Mess, half the Labour shadow cabinet is resigning. 
And Hilary Benn got sacked 
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Originally posted by LadyDiana
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Until we're doing concentration camps, no.
Racists have been emboldened but it's not exactly like this is a brand new thing.
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
Yeah, Nicola knows it'll get bogged down in most of the same issues as before and the economic argument is much worse so she won't call a referendum until the polls consistently show high polls.
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Agreed, if she were to hold it very soon she would be in for a shock with the result. She's going to need a very convincing campaign to win this.
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in a way, but don't forget that in the weeks before referendum pretty much all polls showed brexit wining, so in away...
listen Scottish ppl have stayed just bcs of the EU, just bcs they were told they will NEVER again be ruled by Englad, that changed... now instead Brussels they are again under Englands boot, and they don't want that
anyway, hopefully UK will be out soon, and then it can deal with it's own union problems
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Yes, a lot of Scots only care about the EU and not the UK, but many know that as a whole country it gives Scotland more benefits than if it was separated and independent.
The UK is just as important as the EU for many, so there would need to be a really strong campaign on the 'Yes' side this time around to convince everyone. After all the question in 2014 and the question in 2016's referendum were both very different, so we can't know for sure why everyone voted No and Yes. There's still no guarantee that we'll even join the EU right? There are still many unanswered questions that need to be sorted before the referendum campaign fully begins.
But I agree, we need to formally get out of the EU to move forward for other issues.
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For sure there is an ugly element to society, but the xenophobia isn't supported and perpetuated by the government as in the dark days.
Support for exiting the EU is rising in other countries also, wasn't the figure given for France something like 53% support the idea of having a binding referendum? We haven't seen the possible domino effect yet in places like Greece.
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Brexit gave legitimity to those "ugly elements", once when Boris and others are in power the there is no one to stop them from legalising hate
yes EU scepticisam is rising, but it didn't go this far as in UK. Who would want to leave once when they see the mess that is happening in UK... some irrelevant parties in France, Netherland etc are calling for their leave referendum, BUT in UK Scotish first minister is calling for referendum, people in power want to leave UK now, see the difference
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Originally posted by LadyDiana
Britain WILL enter recession, Farage predicts - but Ukip leader insists the downturn has nothing to do with Brexit
Nigel Farage today admitted that Britain is set to slip into recession in the wake of the EU referendum - but insisted it has nothing to do with Brexit.
The Ukip leader said that the UK's economy was likely to shrink in the coming year, blaming the 'mild' downturn on pre-existing conditions.
Mr Farage has consistently rejected expert predictions that Britain would suffer negative economic consequences if it voted to leave the European Union.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...recession.html
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He is such a mess. Him and Boris are like two less severe and more clown-like versions of Trump  He even conceded defeat after about 1% of the Brexit result 
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Originally posted by LadyDiana
Brexit gave legitimity to those "ugly elements", once when Boris and others are in power the there is no one to stop them from legalising hate
yes EU scepticisam is rising, but it didn't go this far as in UK. Who would want to leave once when they see the mess that is happening in UK... some irrelevant parties in France, Netherland etc are calling for their leave referendum, BUT in UK Scotish first minister is calling for referendum, people in power want to leave UK now, see the difference
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Say what you want about Boris, but he's spent a lot of his life in Brussels, his dad was a European diplomat, he's pro-immigration (you could say that his pro-Leave stance was very surprising indeed  ), he's not gonna be legalising genocide against Europeans any time soon.
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The racism in England. Disgusting  Way to remove 50 years of progression, leave voters!
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
Say what you want about Boris, but he's spent a lot of his life in Brussels, his dad was a European diplomat, he's pro-immigration (you could say that his pro-Leave stance was very surprising indeed ), he's not gonna be legalising genocide against Europeans any time soon. |
You say he is pro immigration is showing how ill informed you are, he made it very clear that going out of EU means less migrants in UK, HOW IS THAT PRO IMMIGRATION?
sure, he wont legalise genocide, but will he stop the lashing of those spreading hate against polish ppl in UK? against Muslims? against all foregieners?
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
Andrew Marr effortlessly exposing the lies of Remain |
Will you summarise the lies, please.
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Whether you voted in or out the xenophobia is brewing and growing and it's getting scary.
The other day, I sent my daughter to fetch a bread and just as she crossed the street here a guy on a moped yelled at her "stupid Pole" and spat at her (she's 12).
Now, sadly we've had talks before on how she might face racist remarks being slightly tanned (her father is Turkish) but these comments on Twitter hit me on the stomache hard.
This is the world I have to send my child into.
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Originally posted by LadyDiana
You say he is pro immigration is showing how ill informed you are, he made it very clear that going out of EU means less migrants in UK, HOW IS THAT PRO IMMIGRATION?
sure, he wont legalise genocide, but will he stop the lashing of those spreading hate against polish ppl in UK? against Muslims? against all foregieners?
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Because we're letting in more migrants from outside the EU (kii @ the idiot Leave voters who expected immigration to end  ) to make it fairer and there will be quality control to make sure that both sides will be skilled labour we need, rather than any EU migrant basically being able to get in regardless of skill whereas one from elsewhere would find it much, much harder. If you look hard enough you'll find that your view of him isn't correct, crappy as he may be.
Yes, yes, yes. It's not legal and it's not going to be legal.
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Whether you voted in or out the xenophobia is brewing and growing and it's getting scary.
The other day, I sent my daughter to fetch a bread and just as she crossed the street here a guy on a moped yelled at her "stupid Pole" and spat at her (she's 12).
Now, sadly we've had talks before on how she might face racist remarks being slightly tanned (her father is Turkish) but these comments on Twitter hit me on the stomache hard.
This is the world I have to send my child into.
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UK was supposed to be the safe haven for every race but alas, not anymore.
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Originally posted by Cas
Will you summarise the lies, please.
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Sajid Javid was asked about his positions before (the extent of job losses, the 3.6% recession, etc. I'm surprised he didn't bring up to £7000 figure but okay that was George going off on a tangent I suppose) and he said that what was said in the campaign was emotionally-charged and now we're going to be facing the future and making the best out of this. He's currently planning a meeting with business leaders to tell them that it's all gonna be okay.
As the vast majority of political commentators could tell you - obviously it's not ideal, but they did too much to try and get a Remain vote which is responsible for some of the market volatility right now, it's gonna be not as bad as Remain said and not as good as Leave said. Over-exaggerating the consequences of Leave isn't helpful for anyone which both sides seem to recognise.
That post was also before IDS was interviewed, he was asked about the £350m figure and immigration, whilst he also backtracked he answered better (by actually acknowledging the figures given).
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
Because we're letting in more migrants from outside the EU (kii @ the idiot Leave voters who expected immigration to end ) to make it fairer and there will be quality control to make sure that both sides will be skilled labour we need, rather than any EU migrant basically being able to get in regardless of skill whereas one from elsewhere would find it much, much harder. If you look hard enough you'll find that your view of him isn't correct, crappy as he may be.
Yes, yes, yes. It's not legal and it's not going to be legal. |
Finally someone else gets it. Immigration was never going to end with the leave vote, but as you say it's more about letting a certain amount of migrants in and those who will actually make a contribution to the workforce. I don't see the racism or xenophobia in that.
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
Sajid Javid was asked about his positions before (the extent of job losses, the 3.6% recession, etc. I'm surprised he didn't bring up to £7000 figure but okay that was George going off on a tangent I suppose) and he said that what was said in the campaign was emotionally-charged and now we're going to be facing the future and making the best out of this. He's currently planning a meeting with business leaders to tell them that it's all gonna be okay.
As the vast majority of political commentators could tell you - obviously it's not ideal, but they did too much to try and get a Remain vote which is responsible for some of the market volatility right now, it's gonna be not as bad as Remain said and not as good as Leave said. Over-exaggerating the consequences of Leave isn't helpful for anyone which both sides seem to recognise.
That post was also before IDS was interviewed, he was asked about the £350m figure and immigration, whilst he also backtracked he answered better (by actually acknowledging the figures given).
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Thank you. By the looks of it, the campaigns on both sides were playing dirty but I still get the feeling that "Leave" told more lies and manipulated people in a worse way.
Or people are just showing their true, racist colours.
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
Say what you want about Boris, but he's spent a lot of his life in Brussels, his dad was a European diplomat, he's pro-immigration (you could say that his pro-Leave stance was very surprising indeed ), he's not gonna be legalising genocide against Europeans any time soon. |
He's also staunchly pro-EU but pretended not to be and incited bigotry across the nation in order to get into Downing Street. 
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Finally someone else gets it. Immigration was never going to end with the leave vote, but as you say it's more about letting a certain amount of migrants in and those who will actually make a contribution to the workforce. I don't see the racism or xenophobia in that.
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Yeah but I agree that Leave tried to be sly with that by not making it very clear. It only started to become a platform that they admitted the week before and even then they weren't very clear.
If we're gonna call out Leave's lies we should call out Remain's as well.
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Originally posted by Humunukuapua
Finally someone else gets it. Immigration was never going to end with the leave vote, but as you say it's more about letting a certain amount of migrants in and those who will actually make a contribution to the workforce. I don't see the racism or xenophobia in that.
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A quality control of immigration is always a good thing. But many people who voted leave were hoping for little to no immigration, let's be real here.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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He's also staunchly pro-EU but pretended not to be and incited bigotry across the nation in order to get into Downing Street. |
Trust me, no one despises him more than I do.
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Originally posted by Cas
Thank you. By the looks of it, the campaigns on both sides were playing dirty but I still get the feeling that "Leave" told more lies and manipulated people in a worse way.
Or people are just showing their true, racist colours.
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Yeah, both sides told lies and are now backtracking because Remain realises they've caused more concern than needed and Leave know that their lies (which were more extreme misdirection) are untenable.
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