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News: France drops 20 bombs on Syria
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Originally posted by Javan
And if you continue to kill innocents ISIS will live on.
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So come up with a better solution. This is the best one France has. I agree it's not perfect, so come up with something better or stop complaining. As is, you're doing nothing but being unproductive.
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Originally posted by Javan
And if you continue to kill innocents ISIS will live on.
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And if we don't do anything, ISIS continues to kill innocents and they live on and get more powerful to pull off bigger attacks, that kill more and more people. 
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Originally posted by Witchpop
And if we don't do anything, ISIS continues to kill innocents and they live on and get more powerful to pull off bigger attacks, that kill more and more people. |
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I'm ALL for a better solution if it presents itself. As is, this is the best we have. So, if you're so opposed, come up with something better. Otherwise, really, you don't have much of substance to add in this situation. We can sit around and talk about why every solution or action WILL NOT work, but nothing good will come of that. So pick the one that works best and go with it.
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And how does this solve anything? Violence with more violence & death?
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What does ISIS want actually? They have plenty of money so they don't need that, what do they actually want?
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Originally posted by britkneepopboi
And how does this solve anything? Violence with more violence & death?
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The to stop Isis is violence, so blowing up their military base makes sense.
If you have a better method of stopping Isis, please suggest. I mean, we could try gift baskets and "Please stop murdering people!" cards, but I don't think that'd work well, unfortunately
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Originally posted by Repo
So come up with a better solution. This is the best one France has. I agree it's not perfect, so come up with something better or stop complaining. As is, you're doing nothing but being unproductive.
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Originally posted by Witchpop
And if we don't do anything, ISIS continues to kill innocents and they live on and get more powerful to pull off bigger attacks, that kill more and more people. |
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Originally posted by Repo
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I'm ALL for a better solution if it presents itself. As is, this is the best we have. So, if you're so opposed, come up with something better. Otherwise, really, you don't have much of substance to add in this situation. We can sit around and talk about why every solution or action WILL NOT work, but nothing good will come of that. So pick the one that works best and go with it.
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It's not my responsibility to think of an alternative. It is the Secretary of Defence, Commander-in-Cheif responsibility to use there resources to conceive a sensible plan of action, one that is not guaranteed to backfire. And they should not act until they've devised said strategy.
Well that would be the rational response at least.
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Avatar: The Last Airbender taught me that this isn't right.
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ISIS has actually been losing soldiers and territory over the last year. This bombing is accelerating this process. Does it suck for the civilians suck in Raqqa? Of course, but currently they are being brutalised by ISIS. People are getting executed everyday by ISIS there.
If Russia, the USA and France all combine their efforts to reduce the fighting capabilites of ISIS using bombing raids and targeted drone strikes, then this will make it easier for the ground troops fighting ISIS to recapture territory and liberate the people captured by them. When I say ground troops, I refer to Syrian and Iraqi Army units, Kurdish peshmerga and Shia Iraqi Militia. All these groups are currently fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Even Al Nusra (an Al Quaded affiliated group) are fighting against ISIS, and killed one of their leaders this weekend.
Peace only works if everyone agrees to live peacefully. If someone won't stop attacking you unless you submit to conquest or kill them, you need to either submit or fight back. Some people cannot be reasoned with. We look back on attempts to appease Hitler as foolish and futile, as he was obviously intent on conquest. People just tried to find peaceful resolutions at first. Those failed and war resulted. ISIS don't want peace. They want to conquer you and impose their way of life upon you. You either submit or you fight back. There is no peace with those who won't offer it to you.
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Originally posted by Dark Horse
Avatar: The Last Airbender taught me that this isn't right.
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That's a cartoon? 
So you're saying we should just let ISIS get away with this in cold blood?
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Originally posted by Kayhan
why i do feel like this isn't right thing to do right now?
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tbh 
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
THis is what I don't understand, why would the West want Assad out?
If the main target is ISIS.
Saddam, Mubarak, Ghaddafi, how many more? What is our government doing? 
This is why I'm disgusted by this whole middle east situation. It's so convoluted for the fact that special interests are playing a heavy hand. The goal isn't to stabilize and create democracy, the goal (as I've read, maybe I'm mistaken) is to further Western interests at the expense of non-western lives. |
This tbh.
And it's sad it's always the innocent people suffering from the consequences.
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I pray no War Worlds come out of this . I don't wanna see this at all
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Originally posted by Javan
It's not my responsibility to think of an alternative. It is the Secretary of Defence, Commander-in-Cheif responsibility to use there resources to conceive a sensible plan of action, one that is not guaranteed to backfire. And they should not act until they've devised said strategy.
Well that would be the rational response at least.
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If we're taking that PoV, none of us should be discussing this. It's not our job and what we say won't be implemented. But we are, so asking you to provide a better alternative IS valid. Bombing an Isis military is NOT guaranteed to backfire, and you've yet to post any actual facts or statistics proving that it is. And it certainly beats nothing. So, come up with a better suggestion if you're convinced it's so ineffective.
Honestly, from everything you say, the impression I get is that you do want these countries to twiddle their thumbs and pray Isis gives up on terrorism. Everything countries try to do, from shut down radical Islamist mosques to attacking Isis to not taking in refugees, you complain, call it ineffective, say it will backfire, and say it will make things worse. You have some reason for why every solution won't work. But no solution will ever be perfect. The ones they're doing ARE based within logic and reason and ARE better than doing little to nothing (Paris attack prove this). Fact. It gets very tedious to see you complain and moan about how awful every method is when you have no iras of your own. So please, stop complaining or start coming with solutions
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Originally posted by Pikachu
What does ISIS want actually? They have plenty of money so they don't need that, what do they actually want?
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ISIS is a declared Caliphate that has a stated intention of conquering the world and imposing their version of Sharia Law upon everyone. It doesn't recognise borders or authorities other than itself. Their leader, Baghdadi, has declared himself a Caliph, and declared all Sunni Muslims have an obligation to swear allegiance to him.
Their intention is to conquer these lands by 2020
I don't think that is at all realistic considering Turkey, Israel and Iran each have superior armed forces to ISIS currently. That is ISIS' ambition though.
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Originally posted by Dark Horse
Avatar: The Last Airbender taught me that this isn't right.
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Actually it has taught you the opposite. Kuvira Nation is basically ISIS.
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Originally posted by Pikachu
What does ISIS want actually? They have plenty of money so they don't need that, what do they actually want?
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they wanna like rule the world and stuff. typical evil organization shet :/ they are not entirely motivated by financial gains, they want to conquer the world under 1 Caliphate (Kingdom) and impose a distorted version of Islam. Also they are using the minds of uneducated ppl in the region to push their agenda by making it seem like this is a prophecy that has been foretold or w/e :/
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Who tf do they think they are?
Only 170 people died.
Why do these White Countries think they own the World just because Israel is with them?
They were French Nationals.
Morons.
We got attacked and only 150 something people died? Let us bomb like America did in 2001 so we'll look cool.
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