[heckinglovato]

If donald really does go for Newt Gingrich as VP, then Secretary Clinton can say goodbye to her chances in Georgia.

[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by heckinglovato

If donald really does go for Newt Gingrich as VP, then Secretary Clinton can say goodbye to her chances in Georgia.

I wanted a full east coast sweep

[heckinglovato]

If we go by Reid's advice to Clinton not picking a senator as VP, since some senate seats could be filled by Republican governors, we'd still have some senators to choose from who come from states with Democratic governors, I also highlighted some key VP names:

ـــــ Tim Kaine of Virginia
ـــــ Al Franken of Minnesota
ـــــ Mark Warner of Virginia
ـــــ Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota
ـــــ Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
ـــــ Bernie Sanders of Vermont
ـــــ Michael Bennet of Colorado
ـــــ Chris Murphy of Connecticut
ـــــ Richard Blumenthal of Connectiut
ـــــ Chris Coons of Delaware
ـــــ Tom Carper of Delaware
ـــــ Brian Schatz of Hawaii
and there's more!

From the House, she could go with Joaquin Castro of Texas, a Latino and maybe she can flip Texas like polls indicate, then almost nothing could stop her from being President

From Governors, she could go with John Hickenlooper and bring Colorado on her side, or Tom Wolf and ensure donald doesn't take Pennsylvania.

From the cabinet, there's Castro, Foxx, Perez and Kerry. Though all could take her down the drain with their ties to Obama.

From retired officials, she has Deval Patrick, Evan Bayh, and Wesley Clark.

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Castro says he was hitting the books with Spanish, please let it be true if she's eyeing him

Tim Kaine is bilingual Yas.

[Eros]

Originally posted by heckinglovato

Hillary winning the Washington Primary with 54% of the votes is not an indication she would have won in March if it had been a primary. It's the end of May and she virtually already clinched the nomination, the hype has already died for Senator Sanders and there's no way she wouldn't be the nominee at this point. It's like saying "oh Cruz lost Washington against Trump" when Cruz has already dropped out of the race (to a much lesser extent though, since Bernie has decided he'd still stay in the race despite his admittedly low chances).

Washington is a state that was tailor-made for Bernie in terms of politics, I'm very confident he would have still won it in March had it been an open primary. Also, people who are there to vote for down-ticket Democrats are more likely to be solid registered Democrats (who lean Hillary), rather than a good mix of independents (who lean Bernie) and Democrats.

I don't agree with the caucus system and I hope it can be altered or removed in 2020. But let's not ignore the facts here.

You have to take into account that Washington is a VBM state too tho and this would mean their primary would take place now instead of back in March. Its state funded. The momentum would be exactly as it is now. So yea this result is a pretty solid indicator!

[Monster Megamind]

Originally posted by heckinglovato

I agree with this. His lead would have been much narrower in a primary scenario, that's definite. Caucuses are terrible, but so are closed primaries, super-delegates and Iowa's coin-toss rules.

Sorry but how are closed primaries bad? Why should a person with Republican leanings be allowed to vote for a Democrat candidate? Is getting registered too much to ask of the independents

[Monster Megamind]

I need the vp to be a more successful businessman than trump... Someone like Bill Gates... So that she can assure, even she believes in making America rich

[Eros]

I want Perez or Castro. Probably not getting either tho!

[Eros]

My main thing is I wonder what Bernie is gonna do about his campaign finance debt? I wonder if thats how the DNC will get him to play nice. And then on top of that his FEC violations.

Also I think DWS is probably going to be a "sacrificial lamb" in these negotiations as well. HRC will probably appoint her to something higher up, since that's DWS' thing anyways, and it'll appease the Bernie Bros. Make them feel like they really "took down the man" or w/e.

IDK, I'm mostly interested in what details will come out once HRC secures the nom.

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Do we really have to go through two more months of this?

[Mitch.]

I know Bernie says he's going to the convention, but like, what the hell is he going to do in between D.C. primary and Philly?

Speeches about how he's gonna switch the Supers?

It would be a bizarre look, no?

I'm not totally convinced Senator Sanders won't be holding a press conference the day after D.C....

[Eros]

Originally posted by Mitch.

I know Bernie says he's going to the convention, but like, what the hell is he going to do in between D.C. primary and Philly?

Speeches about how he's gonna switch the Supers?

I'm not totally convinced Senator Sanders won't be holding a press conference the day after D.C....

There's obviously some kind of play going here, he's negotiating for SOMETHING with the DNC. What? I'm not sure.

I'm pretty sure after Cali we'll find out more.

[LuLuDrops]

I hope those registered CA voters increase Hillary's lead

[Mitch.]

As much as I would hate to see Bernie rewarded with VP considering his behaviour over the past month, a tiny part of me wishes she did pick him.

Lmao can you IMAGINE the meltdowns from the Little Bernsters if Saint Bernard comes on stage at the convention holding hands with the 'Devil'.

[Mitch.]

Originally posted by LuLuDrops

I hope those registered CA voters increase Hillary's lead

She's gonna lose CA, 52-48.

[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by Mitch.

She's gonna lose CA, 52-48.

What was I thinking when I said my state would be the combo breaker in the West Coast.

[Monster Megamind]

She should appoint him as Vp, get elected as president and then get him killed... As simple as that

[Eros]

Originally posted by Mitch.

As much as I would hate to see Bernie rewarded with VP considering his behaviour over the past month, a tiny part of me wishes she did pick him.

Lmao can you IMAGINE the meltdowns from the Little Bernsters if Saint Bernard comes on stage at the convention holding hands with the 'Devil'.

I kind of LOWKEY think (and this isn't at all confirmed or anything but there has been some rumblings about it so its not just me) that thats exactly what he's angling for tbh.

OR the more realistic option is that the DNC is only placating him & letting throw his little sh*t fits because they want to secure his voter bloc and he wants them to pay off his campaign debt.

That being said, even if that IS the case, I am not sure what good it will do. Sanders has very aggressively campaigned against the DNC, not just Hillary, and his followers have taken that to a whole other level. By this point in the game, there may not even be a point to trying to "unify" the party because the people who won't hop over when Sanders officially loses weren't going to hop over anyway. Could that have been avoided had the DNC caved in earlier? Maybe, but Sanders had started this avenue of attack even before he was basically defeated in every way.

[LuLuDrops]

Wolf Blitzer GRILLED Trump's Spokesperson.

Wolf Blitzer grilled Donald Trump spokeswoman Katrina Pierson hard today over his doubts fueling the conspiracy theories that the Clintons had something to do with the death of Vince Foster. He asked if invoking something like that is “beneath the Republican presumptive nominee,” but Pierson simply said that Trump will “defend himself” and not do the politically correct thing of refusing to comment on an insane conspiracy theory suggesting the Clintons were involved in murder.

[heckinglovato]

Originally posted by Eros

You have to take into account that Washington is a VBM state too tho and this would mean their primary would take place now instead of back in March. Its state funded. The momentum would be exactly as it is now. So yea this result is a pretty solid indicator!

That's why I kept saying IF the primary had still been held back in March. And still, the other aspect I mentioned was the people going to vote for down-ticket Dems consisted of mostly solid registered Democrats who were very likely to swing Clinton anyway. The presidential primary being held on this date would have turned out many more independents who would have easily swung this in Sanders' favor. So no, I disagree; Washington is tailor-made for Bernie in terms of politics and I believe it would have still gone to him. But, of course, not with the same lead he went home with in the caucus scenario.

Originally posted by Monster Megamind

Sorry but how are closed primaries bad? Why should a person with Republican leanings be allowed to vote for a Democrat candidate? Is getting registered too much to ask of the independents

Because open, semi-open, and semi-closed primaries increase independent and young-voter participation? Because open and semi-open primaries decrease partisanship and offer broader perspective in the country? Because the independent base is the largest voting base in the country? Because Republicans may swing in favor of the Democrat after registration deadlines? A lot of people in New York, for example, hadn't made up their minds yet in October of 2015 as to which party they were going to swing to, which resulted in a lot of people not being able to vote.

Whether we like it or not, the United States has a two-party system. So, by implementing closed primaries, you're alienating the largest voting base, the independents, from having a say in choosing who would contend to be POTUS in the general election, unless they are forced to be partisan and change party affiliation. That's voter suppression.

Statistically, manipulative tactics by people on the other side of aisle rarely ever materialize, that's just a fact. The voter manipulation and fraud risks chances are way too tiny in comparison to the pros of non-closed primaries. The "voter manipulation" propaganda is set by party elitists to prevent others from picking candidates which the elite doesn't favor; very similarly to the concept of super-delegates.

Heck, you don't even have to have closed primaries if you're too worried about Republicans "having a say!!!111!!" and "manipulating the vote!!!1111!!!11" (which is a non-issue to begin with) - you can simply have semi-open, or even safer, semi-closed primaries to please those illegitimate fraud/manipulation fantasies.

Closed primaries are direct form of voter suppression.