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Poll: Was Beyonce ever the ''it'' girl?
View Poll Results: Did she?
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Yes
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No, never was and never will be
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Trent W
EVERYONE was trashing her the inauguration week, and EVERYONE was sharing those meme's because her ignorant press manager asked the press to retire those awful pictures, almost every blog was sharing it just to give the opposite effect of what her management wanted to do. Beyonce must have critics, her fans and some part of the industry praising her, but the GP doesn't respect her much, those 2 things really exposed her, same when the Blue Ivy surrogate thing, who knows if its true but that was also all over the place. I just don't see much respect for her in the real world like this forum claims.
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Well the controversies that surrounded her didn't stop her for having the top selling album of the year WW (BEYONCE), having one the top grossing tours, and critical acclaim. Unlike others, Beyonce can get the brunt of the critics and still be a successful artist. Stay madt.
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Originally posted by Cormore.
Yet, Beyonce didn't start in pop music and wasn't a solo artist when she started either.
Britney sold well when the market was booming for teeny bop pop girls and boy groups within the pop market hence why all the pop girls debuted around the same time with mega sucess and are now fading ala Xtina and Britney.
It seems like the girls who debuted in different genres ala Beyonce & P!nk that are now infusing pop rather than simply just going full force with it are holding out for and are having more longevity sucess than the girls who debuted in the pop market with HUGE beginning career sales in which seems to be the better route for a longer career and bigger sales overall.
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Why does ATRL praise front-loaded success so much? People honestly believe Britney's career is superior because she sold a lot of records 13 years ago?
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Originally posted by swissman
You're pointing out ridiculous things (surrogacy, lip-syncing, the Super Bowl meme etc.) which went a bit viral on the internet. But keep in mind Beyonce IS well respected by the GP so when rumours like that get out or when she is revealed to have done something less than perfect or when she is captured looking much less than her usual beautiful self, they go everywhere because that's the nature of it. The more shocking the rumours and images are, the more they spread. A celebrity that is not well respected would not have had these things make the same impact. If Snooki had a rumoured surrogate would anyone care? No because they already think she's ridiculous. Beyonce's pregnancy was a Twitter-breaking event. There was lots of interest in it. The rumours don't represent her respect level but the level of hits a blog would get by spreading them.
And what receipts can we use for respect anyway? Can we use the countless legends praising her? Can we use all the news articles that praise her? Can we use the fact that so many people were talking about and loving her new album? Can we use the fact that her album with no announcement sold record breaking amounts based on her name alone? I think yes but I presume you'll disagree because there is something in you that doesn't want to admit that Beyonce has more respect than most popstars.
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The ridiculous things I pointed out are the first things that come out when you mention her name in the streets, in 2013 her celebrity level went up but was for all the wrong reasons. You're a stan won't admit otherwise, all I'm saying is she's not very respected by the GP, outside this place no one cares about sales or critical acclaim, no one reads that crap. Hell even Gaga was more respected than her in 2011, and look were she is now. She's talented yeah, but as many have said she always has and will always be another artist ''just there''.
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at you saying Beyoncé has always been "just there"
she is by far the biggest STAR in the industry unlike Brittany and the other has-been "it girls" who's names you're throwing around, people still care about her.
you can try and claim "BBBUT SHE IS NOT GLOBAL" or "BBBUT BRITNEY OUTSOLD HER 10 YEARS AGO" but it doesn't change what Beyoncé is TODAY
present tense
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"no one cares about sales outside this website" as an argument when you were the one who brought them into the argument claiming she has always been outsold
they may win the battle, queén wins the war
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Originally posted by Trent W
The ridiculous things I pointed out are the first things that come out when you mention her name in the streets, in 2013 her celebrity level went up but was for all the wrong reasons. You're a stan won't admit otherwise, all I'm saying is she's not very respected by the GP, outside this place no one cares about sales or critical acclaim, no one reads that crap. Hell even Gaga was more respected than her in 2011, and look were she is now. She's talented yeah, but as many have said she always has and will always be another artist ''just there''.
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How did her celebrity go up for all the wrong reasons? You mean like having a global hit tour? Or performing to great success at the year's most watched event? Or like releasing a landmark album that was being talked about by everyone? Or by being involved in two commercials which saw a significant rise in sales for the product? Or for making world news for cutting her hair? How exactly did she become more famous in 2013 for a 'wrong reason'? I am a stan but why would I deny this if it was true? I don't really think at this point that when you say Beyonce on the streets that people think of the lip-sync scandal. There was lots of criticism but it is widely agreed by everyone but the haters that she does have a great voice regardless of what she chose to do on that date.
You can't just say that she isn't respected by the GP and magically have it be true. You cannot, especially when it is astoundingly the opposite.
I'm going to end this dialogue with you because it's clear you are only saying these things for your own interests. Maybe there is an insecurity you feel when talking about Beyonce or maybe it's another reason. But if you really think that Beyonce selling 80,000 in the first three hours of her album being uploaded means she is "just there" then you must really think that everyone else is not even there at all, because an artist no one cares about does not get that many sales through a Facebook post and an iTunes banner.
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Originally posted by bijonse
at you saying Beyoncé has always been "just there"
she is by far the biggest STAR in the industry unlike Brittany and the other has-been "it girls" who's names you're throwing around, people still care about her.
you can try and claim "BBBUT SHE IS NOT GLOBAL" or "BBBUT BRITNEY OUTSOLD HER 10 YEARS AGO" but it doesn't change what Beyoncé is TODAY
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Yeah and the other ''it girls'' from her generation sold more albums than her, when people sold albums and no singles pfff, enjoy her career peak, because this is it, and still selling 80% in US and 20% WW, no matter how you twist the game she is STILL somehow local hahahahah,
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Originally posted by swissman
How did her celebrity go up for all the wrong reasons? You mean like having a global hit tour? Or performing to great success at the year's most watched event? Or like releasing a landmark album that was being talked about by everyone? Or by being involved in two commercials which saw a significant rise in sales for the product? Or for making world news for cutting her hair? How exactly did she become more famous in 2013 for a 'wrong reason'? I am a stan but why would I deny this if it was true? I don't really think at this point that when you say Beyonce on the streets that people think of the lip-sync scandal. There was lots of criticism but it is widely agreed by everyone but the haters that she does have a great voice regardless of what she chose to do on that date.
You can't just say that she isn't respected by the GP and magically have it be true. You cannot, especially when it is astoundingly the opposite.
I'm going to end this dialogue with you because it's clear you are only saying these things for your own interests. Maybe there is an insecurity you feel when talking about Beyonce or maybe it's another reason. But if you really think that Beyonce selling 80,000 in the first three hours of her album being uploaded means she is "just there" then you must really think that everyone else is not even there at all, because an artist no one cares about does not get that many sales through a Facebook post and an iTunes banner.
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About the last paragraph she has a huge fan-base thirsty for new music, she dry you all year with that.
About the first 2, she may not be as disrespected as Britney, but let's say the last 2 years, she's had her britney moments . She's not that respected man just move on. This site is a bubble.
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Whether or not you think she has ever been an it-girl at any time, you can't really deny that she has everything that makes her the it-popstar.
If you want receipts for this, just look at which pop girl gets the biggest and best endorsements, the biggest and best accolades, the most praise by certified legends and represents the complete package of the popstar* most?
*What I mean by this is the Michael Jackson mould of the singing, dancing, involved popstar. She does not merely show up and get told how to sing. She is integral in the process. She sings fantastically, she's a great dancer, she's beautiful, she's humble and fierce all at once. She's accessible. She makes anthems. She appeals to many demographics. She also has taken the Madonna-popstar-sexuality and added it to this mould to make her the perfect popstar. No other popstar of her generation and I'd argue any generation has come as close to perfection as she has. If you disagree I'd love to hear your response as to who fills all those criteria more than she does.
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Originally posted by Trent W
Yeah and the other ''it girls'' from her generation sold more albums than her, when people sold albums and no singles pfff, enjoy her career peak, because this is it, and still selling 80% in US and 20% WW, no matter how you twist the game she is STILL somehow local hahahahah,
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the proportions are so off nnnn
anywayz, who cares about how much they sold in the past when all that **** is forgotten because these it girls could not last more thna 3 or 4 years. these are people who cant scan gold anymore and in your mind, theyre still more successful than someone 17 years into their career selling 3 million in 3 months and grossing 200 mil on tour?
i mean fume a BIT that whoever you stan for is no longer doing it
this entire thread you have been refusing to accept any opinions opposite yours and going off on tangents no one really gives half a **** about trying to discredit her
she IS successful, they WERE successful.
and in the end she will outsell them. she wins no matter how "local" ( )she is
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"her album only sold because she has a huge fanbase!"
"she has never been the it gorl"
"her sales proportions are US based!"
you sound so angry and ridiculous
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Originally posted by bijonse
"her album only sold because she has a huge fanbase!"
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I'm sure many of you Beyonce fans can probably say they had the same experience… but as a big fan of Beyonce, a lot of people naturally talk to me about her, and I know a lot of people that said they bought the album as soon as their found out about it. These people obviously liked Beyonce before, but they were not part of her fanbase.
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She was during 2003 but that ended as soon as Princess Ciara and Queen of pop Rihanna debuted.
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Originally posted by swissman
But if you really think that Beyonce selling 80,000 in the first three hours of her album being uploaded means she is "just there" then you must really think that everyone else is not even there at all, because an artist no one cares about does not get that many sales through a Facebook post and an iTunes banner.
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Clock her sis!! CLOCK HER!!
Like foreal though, if Beyonce is just there, what do you call what these other chicks are doing?? Who is doing it bigger than Beyonce? The fact that all those bad rumors about her got popular is because Beyonce is always being talked about and always under the microscope. It's the reason her talking about sex got so big in the news. A grown woman talking about sex....hmmmm....sounds like a lot of the pop girls....who's getting asked about in interviews? Who is always striking up conversation....
"So what do you think of Beyonce's new album and the sexual content in it?" It's been the topic of discussion EVERYWHERE! Like can you seriously sit here and try to argue the fact??
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Originally posted by Vato
She was during 2003 but that ended as soon as Princess Ciara and Queen of pop Rihanna debuted.
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Without a doubt, Rihanna has been an it-girl (2007), but it was most certainly not as soon as she debuted (2005). No one really cared about her at the time. It wasn't until the Jay-Z rumours happened that she was really talked about.
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Originally posted by bijonse
the proportions are so off nnnn
anywayz, who cares about how much they sold in the past when all that **** is forgotten because these it girls could not last more thna 3 or 4 years. these are people who cant scan gold anymore and in your mind, theyre still more successful than someone 17 years into their career selling 3 million in 3 months and grossing 200 mil on tour?
i mean fume a BIT that whoever you stan for is no longer doing it
this entire thread you have been refusing to accept any opinions opposite yours and going off on tangents no one really gives half a **** about trying to discredit her
she IS successful, they WERE successful.
and in the end she will outsell them. she wins no matter how "local" ( )she is
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Britney's first album is almost equals in sales than Beyonce's entire career.
Of course she's successful, but she is not the most successful one of her generation or this one. Britney was in the past, Adele is in the present. Those 2 have eras to brag about, Beyonce has never surpassed 10million WW sales with one album. So shut up
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Originally posted by theerealest
Clock her sis!! CLOCK HER!!
Like foreal though, if Beyonce is just there, what do you call what these other chicks are doing?? Who is doing it bigger than Beyonce? The fact that all those bad rumors about her got popular is because Beyonce is always being talked about and always under the microscope. It's the reason her talking about sex got so big in the news. A grown woman talking about sex....hmmmm....sounds like a lot of the pop girls....who's getting asked about in interviews? Who is always striking up conversation....
"So what do you think of Beyonce's new album and the sexual content in it?" It's been the topic of discussion EVERYWHERE! Like can you seriously sit here and try to argue the fact??
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You get too excited about a few headlines every celebrity gets those, you are acting like she was the only one lmao
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Conclusion: Beyonce has been always consistent and her peak is 2013, but is just not something too high or huge as other big names in the past. And the whole 2003 argument also invalid, there were stronger forces it's like saying 2008 was the year of katy perry because she had a huge hit and released a few months before Gaga came in like pfffffff. She has always been in the group of popular artists but never the head of it.
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