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Originally posted by Bey Admired
They are not opposites  The two can go hand in hand. They have both sold well and both have commercial acclaim. However, Bey has more critical acclaim and Adele has more sales. However, Lemonade had more impact in the US and was much higher quality. |
I'm an age where ALMOST NOBODY buys music, 25 made people GET OUT OF THIER HOUSES, STAND IN LINES AND PAY FOR AN ALBUM. 9 million people. 3.3 in a week and than another 1 million and another 1 million. Actually millions of people WANTED TO HAVE 25 AND PAID for ir, while they could just downloaded it for free. Now, you can say whatever you want, but that's a bigger impact than Beyonce would EVER have.
Besides, what exactly lemonade impact was anyway? Every subject on this record was talked way before it and long after it would be forgotten.
While no one will sell as much as 25 did first week.
And BTW, lemonade is no "much higher quality". Just because its a concept/visual album doesn't make it better in any way.
Also about that, 21 was a diary for pretty much 1 Era of Adeles life. While 25 has different stages and eras of her life in it - we can't expect her to write a full album about one Era every time. It just doesn't work like this. And that's the main problem most of us has with 25. It's an album full of moments in Adele life - and seriously there's nothing wrong about it..
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Originally posted by bendi_94
I'm an age where ALMOST NOBODY buys music, 25 made people GET OUT OF THIER HOUSES, STAND IN LINES AND PAY FOR AN ALBUM. 9 million people. 3.3 in a week and than another 1 million and another 1 million. Actually millions of people WANTED TO HAVE 25 AND PAID for ir, while they could just downloaded it for free. Now, you can say whatever you want, but that's a bigger impact than Beyonce would EVER have.
Besides, what exactly lemonade impact was anyway? Every subject on this record was talked way before it and long after it would be forgotten.
While no one will sell as much as 25 did first week.
And BTW, lemonade is no "much higher quality". Just because its a concept/visual album doesn't make it better in any way.
Also about that, 21 was a diary for pretty much 1 Era of Adeles life. While 25 has different stages and eras of her life in it - we can't expect her to write a full album about one Era every time. It just doesn't work like this. And that's the main problem most of us has with 25. It's an album full of moments in Adele life - and seriously there's nothing wrong about it..
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Sis, 25 is mediocre and we all know it
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No one here has ever called 25 "mediocre" because it's not.  The only thing we've ever said is that it's not as good as 21. As for the "impact," I don't understand where this is coming from because I feel like "Hello" alone had more impact than the entire Lemonade album. I know I may be biased, but I'm pretty sure most people would agree with that statement.
I agree with Bendi. Conceptually, 25 is a different album than 21. I personally have no problem with that. In fact, I related more to 25 as a whole than I did 21. Let's not try and take away from its quality just by comparing it to its predecessor, especially when Adele herself even acknowledged that 21 was her magnum opus and would most likely forever be considered that in the eyes of the public. They're both incredible albums in their own right.
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I don't know anyone who listened to Lemonade, so I guess it's good that the critics liked it because they seem to be the only ones who cared.
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Oh boi, I can see you make the argument Lemonade is higher in quality or w/e, but having more impact? Nah.
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"Honey, I'll be with you and the kids in a few minutes"
**logs onto ATRL to drag Taylor Swift**
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Originally posted by Mike91
"Honey, I'll be with you and the kids in a few minutes"
**logs onto ATRL to drag Taylor Swift**
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Not this Bey vs Adele fighting again....
Really guys?
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Member Since: 12/23/2006
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
Extra tickets to see Adele live in Auckland next March sold out in 10 minutes on Tuesday morning.
According to concert promoters, an additional 15,000 tickets to see Adele perform at Mt Smart Stadium, went on sale to the general public at 9am on Tuesday and sold out in a staggering 10 minutes.
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Amazing 
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Originally posted by blackbeatxx
Not this Bey vs Adele fighting again....
Really guys?
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Right? The obsession with Bey in this base is concerning
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
I don't know anyone who listened to Lemonade, so I guess it's good that the critics liked it because they seem to be the only ones who cared.
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Adele cared. In fact, she was speechless at how amazing it is.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Adele getting AOTY over Beyoncé would be bad for her career, not good. There's already a growing backlash in the black community towards Adele because similar black artists don't get the same amount of success or exposure. The last thing she needs is to win AOTY over the blackest album of the year, especially when 25 is not her best work and arguably mediocre.
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There's always backlash.
Truth of the matter is, the Grammys themselves don't pick the winners. It's based off of a mix of voters from each genre. There's hundreds, maybe thousands (I don't know how many people are on the voting committee) of voters that choose the winner. Truth is that a lot of those voters don't even listen to a lot of the music that's up for nomination and those people are probably more likely to vote for 25, not to piss off the black community, but because they're more likely recognize 25 and have heard songs from it such as Hello, which was a massive hit. Also the fact that there's a lot of genres like Classical Roots, Contemporary Christian, etc is why rap albums and R&B albums have a harder time in the general field. Those categories aren't as likely to vote for albums in those genres because they usually don't represent those genres or have appeal to them as a voting bloc.
Is it a fair process? No, but that's how it's done. They've tried changing it and maybe that'll show through this year but ultimately it's going to come down to who can garner the most votes from certain genres.
Both Beyonce and Adele have a fair shot at winning. It'll just depend on who gets the most votes. Simple as that. Taylor won last year because Kendrick, Alabama Shakes, and Chris Stapleton were all the "critic" choices that ultimately cancelled each other out and allowed for Taylor to win.
This year there's really only Sturgill. Bey is acclaimed but she's still very much a mainstream artist going up against 3 other mainstream artists. That's why the biggest threat is Sturgill because he's not as likely to split the vote. But he also has little name recognition, especially going up against Beyonce and Adele, so that'll hurt him as well.
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But does The Academy have a criteria specifically for the voters on how to select their winner? Or a guideline of some sort? The only thing I could find from their website is this.
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The GRAMMYs are the only peer-presented award to honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales or chart position.
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https://www.grammy.org/recording-academy
That last subordinate clause right there hasn't been followed at all, as long as I can remember.
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Originally posted by anti-bitch
But does The Academy have a criteria specifically for the voters on how to select their winner? Or a guideline of some sort? The only thing I could find from their website is this.
https://www.grammy.org/recording-academy
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I think they just cast their vote. The main voters in each genre can change nominations but the actual voting, I'm pretty sure, is just a straightforward vote for the most part.
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Originally posted by anti-bitch
But does The Academy have a criteria specifically for the voters on how to select their winner? Or a guideline of some sort? The only thing I could find from their website is this.
https://www.grammy.org/recording-academy
That last subordinate clause right there hasn't been followed at all, as long as I can remember. |
That's the major issue with the AOTY award, imo.
The song categories make sense. ROTY goes to the best complete recording/a 'big' song commercially. SOTY is for a song's actual composition (lyrics and melodies). Best Pop Solo Performance is, unsurprisingly, best recorded solo performance of a song.
With Adele's 21, there was clearly an intersection of universal acclaim and sales in the AOTY win. The thought of giving the award to anyone else that year would've be preposterous. But the definition gets more hazy when you more recently have Beck winning AOTY in one year and Taylor the next. These albums did not relate in the same way to their competitors at all; 1989 was the biggest commercially, Morning Phase was critically acclaimed.
This could be just me, but AOTY seems like the only award where one's previous releases truly are a factor in a win or loss. Like, nobody's really talking about RITD winning ROTY/SOTY previously now that Hello's nominated... a good song is a good song. But there's plenty comparing 21 to 25, ST to Lemonade, etc. It also seems like AOTY is in the only category where the committee has given awards to directly make up for a previous loss. Babel was really not significantly better in any measure than Sigh No More, and quite possibly not even the best in its category. It almost felt like AOTY in 2013 was given because in any year that wasn't 2012, SNM at the least would've had such a bigger chance of winning that they felt a win for its (lesser) successor was deserved.
All in all, unless you have a 21, a Thriller, etc., the criteria appear more than fluid 
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We all know that critics will not always make an artist to win a Grammy. Last year, Kendrick lost against Taylor Swift, even if he had the best critics of 2015. The fact that the subjects inside his album aren't very popular made that he lost agains Swift. But with Beyoncé it's very different : she has lots of albums behind her, lots of Grammy and she became with Adele one of the favorite artists during theses award ceremonies. In my opinion, the impact (the commercial and markeitng impact) of the album 'Beyoncé' was more powerful than "Lemonade"
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Personally, I think BEYONCÉ was more of an event than Lemonade was, and going off of that logic, it definitely should have won Album of the Year. However, Beck wrote his entire album by himself, and the quality was fantastic. Even though I stan for Beyoncé, I feel like Beck deserved the award in that instant, just because I think there's something to be said for someone who can write an entire album by themselves (or with minimal co-writers) and have the quality be that good.
That being said, Beyoncé and Adele are both Grammy favorites. They've got the acclaim, they've got the success, and they've got the respect of both the general public and the Recording Academy. It's really, really tough to see who will win Album of the Year. The only thing that might give Adele the upper hand is the fact that, as previously mentioned, most voters from other genres will give Adele their vote over Beyoncé, because she appeals more to them. That being said, Beyoncé has lost the award before, so if the Grammys feel bad not giving her the award in 2014 or are hopping onto the Lemonade bandwagon, she may have it in the bag. But it's going to be really close either way. It should be interesting, that's for sure!
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Thanks for the reminder 
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I like hipster Adele with glasses 
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