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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
Or, people will find other forms of weapons of mass destruction. DIY bombs, for example. It's extremely easy to plug in .Tor and search guns through the dark web. I've visited it a couple of times, and trust me. It's that easy, and it's that easy to stay anonymous and untraced.
The root of the problem is immigration, most of it. But I'd argue that it's incompetence in homeland security, considering that the perpetrator was a US citizen(?) I heard that he was in the FBI watch list for sometime now, and that he has been interviewed by the FBI with no compelling evidence to prompt any further actions. BUT if they had been more vigilant about him, they could have found at least some sort of a smoking gun to capture him, detain him and even prosecute him for terrorist agendas before this all could have happened.
But sadly, I have the unpopular opinion in this forum, and especially that I am a Trump supporter, I am expecting a lashing from you guys because of my opinions and who I support.
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I do not understand how the root of the problem with this is immigration.... 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
Or, people will find other forms of weapons of mass destruction. DIY bombs, for example. It's extremely easy to plug in .Tor and search guns through the dark web. I've visited it a couple of times, and trust me. It's that easy, and it's that easy to stay anonymous and untraced.
The root of the problem is immigration, most of it. But I'd argue that it's incompetence in homeland security, considering that the perpetrator was a US citizen(?) I heard that he was in the FBI watch list for sometime now, and that he has been interviewed by the FBI with no compelling evidence to prompt any further actions. BUT if they had been more vigilant about him, they could have found at least some sort of a smoking gun to capture him, detain him and even prosecute him for terrorist agendas before this all could have happened.
But sadly, I have the unpopular opinion in this forum, and especially that I am a Trump supporter, I am expecting a lashing from you guys because of my opinions and who I support.
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You should add the fact that you're a Trump supporter to the top of your post next time. Save everyone some time.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Last time I checked terrorists don't come from Mexico.
Giving legal citizenship to millions of Hispanics won't stop terrorism. Last night was a testament to that. Banning Muslims will only paint a narrative to extremists that America hates them. More white Americans have killed Americans than a Islamic terrorist has. The problem are guns, lack of awareness of mental illness, and the hostility we show our own people.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
Or, people will find other forms of weapons of mass destruction. DIY bombs, for example. It's extremely easy to plug in .Tor and search guns through the dark web. I've visited it a couple of times, and trust me. It's that easy, and it's that easy to stay anonymous and untraced.
The root of the problem is immigration, most of it. But I'd argue that it's incompetence in homeland security. I heard that he was in the FBI watch list for sometime now, and that he has been interviewed by the FBI with no compelling evidence to prompt any further actions. BUT if they had been more vigilant about him, they could have found at least some sort of a smoking gun to capture him, detain him and even prosecute him for terrorist agendas before this all could have happened.
But sadly, I have the unpopular opinion in this forum, and especially that I am a Trump supporter, I am expecting a lashing from you guys because of my opinions and who I support.
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"Easy" to you is not "easy" to lazy and unresourceful lunatic criminals.
The line that immigration has anything to do with this is just faulty Republican rhetoric unsupported by statistics. Oh, and Omar Mateen was a U.S. born citizen so immigration has no real place in this discussion!
And I also don't think that there's necessarily any reason to legitimately believe that the FBI or Homeland Security could have found a "smoking gun."
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 3/1/2007
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Originally posted by Venus Temple
• Birth control?
BAN IT!
• Abortion?
BAN IT!
• Gay marriage?
BAN IT!
• Guns?
Listen, banning things never works. People will find ways to get them.
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There's a different between banning and regulating. Given some types of guns (i.e. military grade) SHOULD be banned from civilians, but the more domestic/hunting guns should be regulated better. Guns will never be completely banned but there should be some middle ground.
Just because you can have a pet doesn't mean you should go get a Tiger. It's ridiculous.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Jared
There's a different between banning and regulating. Given some types of guns (i.e. military grade) SHOULD be banned from civilians, but the more domestic/hunting guns should be regulated better. Guns will never be completely banned but there should be some middle ground.
Just because you can have a pet doesn't mean you should go get a Tiger. It's ridiculous.
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This is all true. But you can't ban any of the things Republicans prioritize.
Women will find ways to abort their baby if they want to. Having birth control and abortion legal only makes it safer. Gay people will still be in love and having marriage promotes love and kindness. Marriage and a drop in pregnancy rates also have economic benefits which they seem to care so much about so it's a win-win imo.
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Member Since: 9/20/2011
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This might be a dumb question but the DC primary will still be going ahead on Tuesday yes?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Mitch.
This might be a dumb question but the DC primary will still be going ahead on Tuesday yes? |
I would assume so. DC is so far away from Orlando and Obama didn't declare a national emergency.
I suppose he could declare a national emergency tomorrow, which would likely halt the primary.
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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN
Interesting: Former Sen. Larry Pressler, a Republican, endorses Clinton due to Orlando attack. (h/t @SamFeistCNN)
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Elizabeth Warren @elizabethforma
It’s our choice – whether to come together as one people and live our values, or to splinter and turn on each other in fear.
America is strongest when we unite & celebrate our diversity. When we promote those values abroad & live them here at home. #loveislove
That’s the message of Pride. That’s who we are. That’s how we’ll defeat hate, & how we protect America. #loveislove
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Thought we could all use these positive comments from Liz this night.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Jared
There's a different between banning and regulating. Given some types of guns (i.e. military grade) SHOULD be banned from civilians, but the more domestic/hunting guns should be regulated better. Guns will never be completely banned but there should be some middle ground.
Just because you can have a pet doesn't mean you should go get a Tiger. It's ridiculous.
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I totally agree. You should be allowed to own a gun for protection.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Gonna be interesting how this Orlando story gets spun in the next few months, really might affect the outcome of the election. Bad feeling it's just going to be fear mongering/anti Islamic rather than gun control, mental illness, or homophobia.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Bloo
Nah, the Civil War didn't take place over slaves.
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I'm late, but umm, yeah it did. The South felt Lincoln and the North would try to regulate the control or abolish the use of slaves.
The common perception that the North fought to free the slaves is incorrect though.
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Originally posted by Butters
Gonna be interesting how this Orlando story gets spun in the next few months, really might affect the outcome of the election. Bad feeling it's just going to be fear mongering/anti Islamic rather than gun control, mental illness, or homophobia.
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I just wish none of this happened. It will get politicized as ****.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS
I'm late, but umm, yeah it did. The South felt Lincoln and the North would try to regulate the control or abolish the use of slaves.
The common perception that the North fought to free the slaves is incorrect though.
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The bolded part was so heavily emphasized in my school that I guess I just incorrectly remembered it as being strictly about political power. I did some research last night after that post and there were many influences, but they all came back to slavery, in some way. Though, it is interesting that there still is a lot of debate over what caused the Civil War.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
I just wish none of this happened. It will get politicized as ****.
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Honestly, this is going to sound extremely insensitive, but it needs to be politicized. This is a historic event, tragic, but historic. We need to be discussing this when we're moving forward with policy proposals. What happened with this incident should NOT have happened. A man with a history of abuse, emotional instability, and being on the FBI's watch list should not have been able to easily and legally purchase a gun, let alone an automatic one. This needs to be discussed because it's an important issue. If we leave this issue alone then those deaths happened for nothing. WE need to learn from history and use it moving forward in order to try to approach change.
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Member Since: 9/20/2011
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Is it actually true that he was both on an FBI watchlist & legally bought that semi-auto recently?
I know a lot of misinformation gets spread around in the first 24 hours but if that's true...
Hillary NEEDS to campaign about this if this is the case.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Mitch.
Is it actually true that he was both on an FBI watchlist & legally bought that semi-auto recently?
I know a lot of misinformation gets spread around in the first 24 hours but if that's true...
Hillary NEEDS to campaign about this if this is the case. |
As far as I know, he was on a terrorist watch list, but was removed after investigation concluded that he had no threat at the time. He had no criminal record and since he was removed from the list, he was able to legally purchase that weapon.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Mitch.
Is it actually true that he was both on an FBI watchlist & legally bought that semi-auto recently?
I know a lot of misinformation gets spread around in the first 24 hours but if that's true...
Hillary NEEDS to campaign about this if this is the case. |
Yep. It's complicated, but there is enough in his background to where he shouldn't have been able to buy an assault rifle.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us...ties.html?_r=0
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Member Since: 9/20/2011
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So someone, who has talked to the FBI, and for that matter, anyone off the street can buy one of these without a background check??????
I really don't like to talk **** about other nation's laws but Jesus, why would anyone need this???
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