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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
So what are y'alll pointing out then? What are you guys so mad about?
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Well, since you're asking, I'll explain your lack of comprehension of my post to you.
I said she's WOKE. Woke people don't treat POC as props or pawns to make statements, which is basically what's being suggested of her, and what she's now being unfairly dragged for. There is nothing wrong with Tristan Wilds appearing in the Hello video, not a single one of us said that. But he should be treated as as much a valid actor as a white man would have been, which is what I believe Adele saw him as (as supported by the casting story that was out there until today), NOT a race card to be pulled when Xavier is unhappy about a Grammy nomination.
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daydreams why do you have to talk in such a condescending tone? Just because I disagree with what you said doesn't make me dumb.
I know what you said. Let me say this. Just because Adele may have made a conscience choice to choose a Black individual as her lover does NOT mean she is using them as a pawn. I would argue that by acknowledging the role race plays in our society is actually ACKNOWLEDGING the issue at hand. No offense but your argument gives me "color-blind" teas. I'll agree with you on that just solely choosing someone because of their race to fulfill a role is wrong, but I would bet you that Adele knows what she did when she choose a Black actor.
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Member Since: 1/30/2012
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Adele used her star power to make a statement that love should transcend the superficial barrier which is race.
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Well I feel like if you want to make a statement that love has nothing to do with race, then you probably shouldn't point out that the actor is indeed not white and simply let the video speak for itself as if there's nothing weird/unusual/whatever word you want to use here in the video - because there isn't.
OR if they really wanted to it to be a statement about BLM, then call it as such since the beginning, not after you find out it wasn't nominated for a Grammy, ONE YEAR after it came out. Xavier is a mess for this. 
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Ichi, I felt you and Bey Admired were not only condescending upon every single other person that took issue with Xavier's statements, but implying (or in Bey Admired's case, directly stating) we were racist. I will not apologize for my tone.
Once again, you are missing my point. Even consciously choosing a Black actor because you are an accepting individual who wants to promote normalizing interracial relationships is different that picking a Black actor because you specifically want to be associated with supporting a movement currently in the media (basically, wanting to make yourself look good publicly). And even more, talking about it as if it should've been praised for even more than anyone took it as right after the video didn't get a nomination is different than just doing it without making a fuss, because there inherently shouldn't be a fuss if the intention is to normalize.
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by Denyy
Well I feel like if you want to make a statement that love has nothing to do with race, then you probably shouldn't point out that the actor is indeed not white and simply let the video speak for itself as if there's nothing weird/unusual/whatever word you want to use here in the video - because there isn't.
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Okay and who was the one who brought up this discussion? Xavier did. For all we know, Xavier could have spilled some tea about a decision Adele decided to go with but didn't want to make public because of like you said.
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Member Since: 1/30/2012
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Okay and who was the one who brought up this discussion? Xavier did. For all we know, Xavier could have spilled some tea about a decision Adele decided to go with but didn't want to make public because of like you said.
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And that's literally my point, Xavier shouldn't have started this discussion NOW, because it really makes him look like a 5 year old who didn't get the toy he wanted. I personally never said anything about Adele and if she really said that or not.
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Originally posted by daydreams
Ichi, I felt you and Bey Admired were not only condescending upon every single other person that took issue with Xavier's statements, but implying (or in Bey Admired's case, directly stating) we were racist. I will not apologize for my tone.
Once again, you are missing my point. Even consciously choosing a Black actor because you are an accepting individual who wants to promote normalizing interracial relationships is different that picking a Black actor because you specifically want to be associated with supporting a movement currently in the media (basically, wanting to make yourself look good publicly). And even more, talking about it as if it should've been praised for even more than anyone took it as right after the video didn't get a nomination is different than just doing it without making a fuss, because there inherently shouldn't be a fuss if the intention is to normalize.
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Okay, and you are missing my point. I'm saying that she could have done A to subtly support B. Still not sure why you guys think what Xavier said should be thrown out of the window as being fake when a decision could have possibly been based off racial tensions. BLM goes beyond police brutality.
Anyways I'd rather not continue having a whole debate about this, if you still disagree I'm fine with that, we can't agree on everything
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Originally posted by Denyy
And that's literally my point, Xavier shouldn't have started this discussion NOW, because it really makes him look like a 5 year old who didn't get the toy he wanted. I personally never said anything about Adele and if she really said that or not.
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Well I have agreed multiple times that Xavier is picking a bad time to say this. As for what was actually said, I support what was done if its true. If its not true, I still support the idea.
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Okay, and you are missing my point. I'm saying that she could have done A to subtly support B. Still not sure why you guys think what Xavier said should be thrown out of the window as being fake when a decision could have possibly been based off racial tensions. BLM goes beyond police brutality.
Anyways I'd rather not continue having a whole debate about this, if you still disagree I'm fine with that, we can't agree on everything |
Sure, anything can be a message. Heck, you could say Hello's about the trials and tribulations of cooking pan noodles. We can go on and on about whether you think what he said she said is real or not, I and others don't think so, but you're open to your own opinion there.
However, our point is that the timing of Xavier's statement, the fact that it contradicts everything that's been said before about casting, and the fact that he specifically said she said police brutality (not simply BLM) which is not perceivable in the video, makes this not only doubtful to us, but inappropriate. It's disrespectful to Adele who, whatever she wanted to promote or not, was doing so without seeking praise, and it's disrespectful to videos like Formation that actually are about police brutality.
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by daydreams
Sure, anything can be a message. Heck, you could say Hello's about the trials and tribulations of cooking pan noodles. We can go on and on about whether you think what he said she said is real or not, I and others don't think so, but you're open to your own opinion there.
However, our point is that the timing of Xavier's statement, the fact that it contradicts everything that's been said before about casting, and the fact that he specifically said she said police brutality (not simply BLM) which is not perceivable in the video, makes this not only doubtful to us, but inappropriate. It's disrespectful to Adele who, whatever she wanted to promote or not, was doing so without seeking praise, and it's disrespectful to videos like Formation that actually are about police brutality.
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she was just like, "I'm concerned with the reality of the tensions between authorities and the black community, and I want to send a message out there.'"
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If the bolded part is what Adele said, this is not limited to just police brutality.
I'll agree with you on that its disrespectful to Adele for him to talk about this openly in the public.
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I just came back to watch this beautiful hot mess.
Keep going, babes.
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by DayFusion
I just came back to watch this beautiful hot mess.
Keep going, babes.
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Pretty sure we're about done. Cmon DayFusion, fan the dying flames for some more action 
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
If the bolded part is what Adele said, this is not limited to just police brutality.
I'll agree with you on that its disrespectful to Adele for him to talk about this openly in the public.
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He presented with the same story as always:
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I suggested him to her and she agreed. [...] Well, I like him and love what he did on The Wire.
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Then added contradicting information, suggesting for the first time ever it was her call with a specific message in mind more than approving of his suggestion:
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It was her desire that we wouldn't cast a Caucasian male in this, which I thought was great. She called me and said, "This is what I think we should do."
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Previously, this is what he'd said about casting Tristan Wilds, implying it was no more than him liking Wilds and her being cool with showing interracial relationships in her video:
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Did you think of casting Tristan Wilds for the video or did Adele?
I wanted to cast Tristan. I loved him; I still do. And she loved the idea. It wasn’t a big process. I knew him from The Wire. I know he’s on 90210, but I happen not to be watching that show at the moment.
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http://www.vogue.com/13365524/xavier...e-hello-video/
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Why did you select Tristan as her love interest?
Because I like him. I was wondering what he was doing. I hadn’t seen him in a while. I know he’s on a couple of shows in the United States but I for one hadn’t seen him in a while and have always loved him and saw that he would be a great match.
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http://www.billboard.com/articles/co...r-xavier-dolan
And also, only now assigned a police brutality association from her behalf:
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I'm going to be honest, it's tragic not to be able to remember what exact conflict was on the news at that moment, because there are so many incidents of police brutality. She called me right after one of those incidents of police brutality...
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So there's reason to believe him omitting something apparently so big up until right now is a bit suspicious
That said, if this new quote is exactly, word-for-word something she said, it could be assumed she was speaking to him of wanting an unspoken, general BLM-positive message, which does come across. Although, I'd disagree that specifically the relationship "between authorities and the black community" is addressed at all.
Ultimately, the fact that he mentioned police brutality when he did and in the way he did - as if there was an ulterior motive in making the video with Tristan that's wanting of praise - is what's causing the issue, and is the reason she's being dragged now. I think we can at least agree on that
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Adele being dragged where? daydreams is doing the most once again. I thought the Zika virus' drama on Twitter was enough but she keeps surprising me.
I'm out!
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Originally posted by DayFusion
Adele being dragged where? daydreams is doing the most once again. I thought the Zika virus' drama was enough but she keeps surprising me.
I'm out!
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As stated by CC, all over Twitter. Now on Facebook too. Just like every other misguided mini-backlash this era...
Thank god you're "out", though. This site runs slow enough without the traffic from these mindless contributions from you.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Why are so many Beyonce stans so scared of Adele? Everywhere I look they try to downplay Adele. why?
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Member Since: 1/18/2012
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Originally posted by Pikachoo
Why are so many Beyonce stans so scared of Adele? Everywhere I look they try to downplay Adele. why?
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Jealousy
A powerful thing
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Meh, I think he's just being butt hurt and he decided to spill some tea that wasn't suppose to be discussed in the first place. The way he said it is probably not telling the full story as well. Oh well, Adele is getting so backlash like she has throughout her tour, nothing really is going to change. The only people who are mad at Adele for this would honestly be mostly conservative fans.
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It's very heavily Black people, actually, that I see taking issue with this at the moment.
Imo, his claims ≠ video content, and regardless of what was said or not said by her (we can agree to disagree on that as well), she's now been put in a very awkward place right in time for Grammy voting, exclusively because of him.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Xavier definitely killed Adele's career. She's over now.
Poor thing.
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