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Originally posted by CroNich
I was thinking 'Hypnotize' and maybe to add star power Iggy could do a verse or two. I have it all planned out in my head. However I don't want something like that as the lead single but maybe second or third, just because I want Kesha to come back with something different and unique that shows her growth and maturity.
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let's hope it stays there.
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The idea sounds like the return of Urban$ha which is what we all want really
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Also don't think I didn't see this.
The Veronicas, cheap nobodies? Not a chance. Not on this Earth. IDK if you actually don't know them or whatever but they're practically Australian pop royalty. They've delivered two albums full of some of the best mainstream pop from 2006-2008. 4ever (the original U + Ur Hand), Everything I'm Not, When It All Falls Apart, Hook Me Up, Untouched, This Love, Take Me On The Floor and Popular are all basically Aussie pop staples. Sorry but this is just not debatable. They're coming back for blood with their new era and nobody is safe.
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Thats great that they're popular in Australia however I live in the United States and here they are cheap nobodies and regardless of the popularity in Australia they seem to apparently have they're still cheap pop music. I know 4ever, I know who they are.
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As for the whole quantity vs. quality debate its not surprising that stans will validate as to why getting like 18+ tracks is a great idea and doesn't affect the overall quality of a record because they're going to want to get as much as they possibly can, as I said its music gluttony. Its understandable and Kesha is a pop star, its not like one should expect her to make an album that has a strong statement other than making catchy little songs for all of us to consume. Im not entirely opposed to getting 16+ tracks, I just think its pretty tacky. But it is Kesha so either way.
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Thats great that they're popular in Australia however I live in the United States and here they are cheap nobodies and regardless of the popularity in Australia they seem to apparently have they're still cheap pop music. I know 4ever, I know who they are.
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Yep that's fine and understandable. Just thought I'd let you know. They may be local, but they're not cheap nobodies. And even though 4ever is great, it probably is their most basic song (considering it's produced by Luke, that's not really surprising).
And yeah, I don't think anyone is really considering that we're going to get some kind of avant-garde FKA twigs experimental album or anything, just something that is a bit less tacky and is a bit more developed than her previous works. That's all I'm imagining. I'm also still imagining that we're going to have this record's Dinosaur or Grow A Pear, something so tacky it's amazing.
EDIT: I've had to edit this four times already why am I so dyslexic today.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
As for the whole quantity vs. quality debate its not surprising that stans will validate as to why getting like 18+ tracks is a great idea and doesn't affect the overall quality of a record because they're going to want to get as much as they possibly can, as I said its music gluttony. Its understandable and Kesha is a pop star, its not like one should expect her to make an album that has a strong statement other than making catchy little songs for all of us to consume. Im not entirely opposed to getting 16+ tracks, I just think its pretty tacky. But it is Kesha so either way.
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There is no reason why an album of 16 tracks can't be of equal or better quality to an album of 10 tracks. It's got nothing to do with the amount of tracks, it's all to do with the time and effort spent on each individual track, and the intensity of the artistry of the particular artist (obviously no amount of time or effort will make up for a lack of talent). That's my point. She's had two years. That's more than enough time. Maybe if she released a year after Warrior, 10 tracks would be ideal. But it's been long enough to have quality AND quantity. They're not mutually exclusive.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Yep that's fine and understandable. Just thought I'd let you know. They may be local, but they're not cheap nobodies. And even though 4ever is great, it probably is their most basic song (considering it's produced by Luke, that's not really surprising).
And yeah, I don't think anyone is really considering that we're going to get some kind of avant-garde FKA twigs experimental album or anything, just something that is a bit less tacky and is a bit more developed than her previous works. That's all I'm imagining. I'm also still imagining that we're going to have this record's Dinosaur or Grow A Pear, something so tacky it's amazing.
EDIT: I've had to edit this four times already why am I so dyslexic today.
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I know we won't get anything left of center and im not really pining for an album like that from her (it would be cool to me if the album was in the vein of Vintage Kiss, which imo is the best "weird" song shes ever made, but I mean thats not going to happen lol). Itd just be cool if this record was exactly like you said, of higher quality but still kind of camp.
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Oh yeah, and I don't really concur with this "music gluttony" business. I quote the wise words from the Kween herself,
"Too much is never gonna be too much, it's never even enough." - Kesha
That's the gospel.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
There is no reason why an album of 16 tracks can't be of equal or better quality to an album of 10 tracks. It's got nothing to do with the amount of tracks, it's all to do with the time and effort spent on each individual track, and the intensity of the artistry of the particular artist (obviously no amount of time or effort will make up for a lack of talent). That's my point. She's had two years. That's more than enough time. Maybe if she released a year after Warrior, 10 tracks would be ideal. But it's been long enough to have quality AND quantity. They're not mutually exclusive. |
Im not saying concretely that an album with 16+ tracks is ALWAYS and certainly of lesser quality. I mean look at Beyonces s/t. Im just saying more often than not especially from a pop artist such as Kesha, its just jam packed in there for mass consumption. Im not opposed to the idea of having a lot of new music from her, if it happens the more the merrier. But ultimately albums that are the most concise have been pared down to the best material and id find one would have to be pretty hard up to find examples of an album jam packed with like 20 songs that all equally belong there and are all of equal quality. I'd prefer it if this time Kesha came out with a pop album in the vein of Gagas Fame Monster or Beyonces s/t in the sense that they're albums that defined those artists and made up expensively concise pop records. Theres no fluff, its all HQ.
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Im not saying concretely that an album with 16+ tracks is ALWAYS and certainly of lesser quality. Im just saying more often than not especially from a pop artist such as Kesha, its just jam packed in there for mass consumption. Im not opposed to the idea of having a lot of new music from her, if it happens the more the merrier. But ultimately albums that are the most concise have been pared down to the best material and id find one would have to be pretty hard up to find examples of an album jam packed with like 20 songs that all equally belong there and are all of equal quality.
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Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded - The Re-Up Kiss by Carly Rae Jepsen was my earlier example. All of the songs are cohesive, there's not really one out of place track, all of the tracks are of similar quality etc. and there's 19 tracks on the Tour Edition of the album. But perhaps that's just me, I've also heard a lot of people call it trash, so I guess that's up to your discretion.
Anyway, obviously I'm here for more tracks as I've already indicated, but Animal had 14 (on the standard) and I was more than happy with that, so I think 14 ~without a deluxe~ would be okay. 13-14 tracks would be my minimum comfort zone. I always kind of sigh a bit when I see an album I'm anticipating only has 11 tracks for example. It just feels too short.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded - The Re-Up Kiss by Carly Rae Jepsen was my earlier example. All of the songs are cohesive, there's not really one out of place track, all of the tracks are of similar quality etc. and there's 19 tracks on the Tour Edition of the album. But perhaps that's just me, I've also heard a lot of people call it trash, so I guess that's up to your discretion.
Anyway, obviously I'm here for more tracks as I've already indicated, but Animal had 14 (on the standard) and I was more than happy with that, so I think 14 ~without a deluxe~ would be okay. 13-14 tracks would be my minimum comfort zone. I always kind of sigh a bit when I see an album I'm anticipating only has 11 tracks for example. It just feels too short.
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I think 8-14 tracks allude to a concise record.
Roman Reloaded is garbage. Kiss? I wouldn't go as far as to call it garbage as well, its a well produced pop album. But nevertheless it is complete fluff. They're all of similar quality because every single one of those tracks essentially sounds exactly the same. And to be honest I find it to be the kind of pop album fit for a cheap Disney artist. Its not real pop music to me.
I edited my last post to say I think Beyonces s/t is a good example of a pop album with, when compiled is technically, 18 tracks that make a concise statement. I'd rather Keshas new record be in the vein of Gagas Fame Monster or Beyonce's s/t in the sense that both of those albums were career defining records that made an impactful statement for those artists in a clear cut and chic way. Not saying at all for Kesha to lose her grittiness or camp. You're saying its possible for an album with 16+ tracks to be concise, I get it, I just think those kinds of albums are few and far between and I don't personally believe Kesha is a pop artist that can make an album with that many tracks and have it be concise. To have an album with only 8-14 tracks forces the artist to sit down and only choose the most effective tracks they have created. I think its a healthy way to organize an album.
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D.U.I (Dancing Under The Influence) is so underrated 
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D.U.I (Dancing Under The Influence) is so underrated |
I get life to it 
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Someone make a thread "Kesha looking 27"
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I always paid it dust, but it came up on my shuffle and slayed my soul 
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Melanie Martinez Dollhouse EP is slaying me.
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Kween's Starving is such a bop.
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It urks me that Kesha doesn't have any masculine-esque jewelry in her line. I really wanna buy something.
This is my best bet
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But in Kesha's circumstances she wants to get new music out as soon as she can but at the same time she wants to spend as much time as she can to make sure its the best quality possible, so I don't see the point in her making an 18 track album when a 12 or 14 track album is perfectly acceptable.
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