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Discussion: Linda Perry discusses Beyonce's songwriting
Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by QueenB
Are you going to pretend like someone didn't post interviews of Beyonce talking about B'day then saying she changed the songs to fit her and writing the vocal arrangements? Or are you going to ignroe it like every other piece of information being posted about Bey being a songwriter?You been avoiding those posts like the plague
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Are you going to pretend that Ne-Yo didn't specifically state that he wrote the song for himself, it was finished before she heard it, gave it to her, and she simply changed the gender roles or...? You've been avoiding those facts like the plague.
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by swissman
You honestly can't think of any reason? Let me help you.
1. Time (Beyonce is a busy lady. And lately she records like 70+ songs for an album. That's a lot.)
2. Teamwork (Things are often better with the input of others)
3. Fresh ideas (If Beyonce wants to grow as an artist she would need to expose herself to other people's ways of thinking)
4. Working with people you trust is fun
5. Generosity (Help other artists)
6. Insecurity (Maybe Beyonce doesn't want to rely completely on herself all the time)
7. Multitasking (Why not have multiple people working with you at once?)
... you could just go on with speculations. It's not that hard to imagine why someone in her position would collaborate. In fact, most of the popgirls who aren't dragged for their songwriting frequently collaborate with many other writers.
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Thats cause those girls have solo credits and usually appear at the top of the list
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like poeple in writing camp said beyonce is amazing???????
Makeba Riddick (Songwriter)
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"I see the reason why she is the biggest artist of our generation: Her work ethic is unlike anything I've ever seen. She would tell us to be there at 11 o'clock in the morning and we would be there until, like, four or five in the morning. But she would be there before 11 a.m. When we got there, she was already there, working.
"Her concepts were so incredible," Riddick continues. "I never saw an artist have so much of her own vision and know exactly what they want to say. She would say, 'I have this crazy idea for this song, check out this situation.' We would be talking, bugging out — three hours later, then comes the song."
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“It was crazy to me when we were done. That was a whirlwind,” Riddick says. “Every day we would be talking for hours -- that’s how those songs came about. It was fun, that’s how you should make an album. It amazes me how a regular girl from Baltimore from the inner city has the same life experiences as a girl from Houston, Texas.
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When you write with an artist, is there a different dynamic?
There is a lot more leeway in that situation, because the artist is the one who will have to sing the song every night. So I'll ask them what they are thinking about, what they are going through. In Beyoncé's case, we're both girls and not too far apart in age. Sometimes we've been going through the same things and share a lot in common. Beyoncé and I would spend hours talking, and some of those thoughts would turn into songs.
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Makeba: Every situation is different. Sometimes I have a track and I write a
song and just send it to a label. Other times, the artist and I sit down together and write. Somebody like Beyonce, because she knows exactly what she wants, it’s not hard. We can be talking about a situation she’s in and its really like talking because it’s a real situation, and through that it’ll just evolve into a song.
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
Thats cause those girls have solo credits and usually appear at the top of the list
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Let's talk when the girls win some awards for their songwriting or them finding a place on Forbes.
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Originally posted by JessPop
Are you going to pretend that Ne-Yo didn't specifically state that he wrote the song for himself, it was finished before she heard it, gave it to her, and she simply changed the gender roles or...? You've been avoiding those facts like the plague.
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wow. you really still trying same thing over and over.
so you ignored all the fact that ne-yo and stargater saying her inputs?
you're really something.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by JessPop
Are you going to pretend that Ne-Yo didn't specifically state that he wrote the song for himself, it was finished before she heard it, gave it to her, and she simply changed the gender roles or...? You've been avoiding those facts like the plague.
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I'm not avoiding it.
YES NeYo wrote the song for himself and Bey did vocal work and got some credit for that.
Now let's move on. Let's talk about my last few previous posts.
Cause that's the real avoidance going on.
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Did Bey write DRUNK IN LOVE? I'm curious.
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The anger in this thread
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
Thats cause those girls have solo credits and usually appear at the top of the list
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Well, Bey does try to get her name at the top of the list. Clearly her songwriting contributions and abilities didn't impress the Oscars enough to let that song slide through for nominations though.
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Member Since: 6/24/2011
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Originally posted by JessPop
Well, Bey does try to get her name at the top of the list. Clearly her songwriting contributions and abilities didn't impress the Oscars enough to let that song slide through for nominations though.
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welp..
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poor beyonce. she have to share the credit with others when she write it!
Independent women part 1
Writer : Beyoncé Knowles Cory Rooney Samuel Barnes Jean-Claude Olivier
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Poke: “Columbia had the Charlie’s Angels soundtrack and they needed a record for the soundtrack. They started off as a regular version. They came in and were like, ‘Fix the ****ing record.’ So it was like ‘Independent Women Part 2’ is the real version.
“Beyoncé was in Hawaii doing a show with Destiny’s Child. Columbia didn’t want her to write the record, they were like, ‘No, she can’t write the record. We need someone to write it because she wrote the original.’
Columbia didn’t want Beyoncé to write the record, they were like, ‘No, she can’t write the record. We need someone to write it.’ We get on the phone and we’re like, ‘They don’t want you to write the record. But we know what you're capable so go ahead and write the record.' - Poke
“Me, Beyoncé, and [former senior executive vice president of Sony] Cory Rooney get on the phone and we’re like, ‘We're gonna tell you the lowdown, they don’t want you to write the record. But we know what you're capable so go ahead and write the record. Here’s the track, just knock it out.’
“We sent her the track, she knocked it out, Donny Ienner and them complained like, ‘The record is linear. It’s not a hit. It doesn’t sound good.’ Blah blah blah. Then the record goes to radio and blows the **** up.
“So they were complaining about the record thinking it wasn’t a hit and they were dead wrong. It wound up breaking all types of records, it had the biggest audience ever at radio, it was ridiculous.
“The only record that came after that that was bigger was 50 Cent’s ‘In Da Club.’ At the time, the biggest radio record ever was TLC ‘Scrubs.’ Then the Destiny’s Child came in and blew that **** over the top. It was like, ‘Holy ****.’”
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Originally posted by PULSE.
Let's talk when the girls win some awards for their songwriting.
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She didn't won for her songwriting, her songs won awards for the songwriting which is shared with many other people. The only reason she gets the actual award is because she's the singer
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Wait this thread is still going
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Originally posted by PULSE.
Let's talk when the girls win some awards for their songwriting.
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Lets talk when Beyonce wins some awards for a song she wrote
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Originally posted by Crush2.0
Did Bey write DRUNK IN LOVE? I'm curious.
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She did apparently, I just checked I figure Jay-Z helped her a lot but its still better than her previous attempts so
also Jay Z's name is Shawn
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Jeezzuuuussss, Beyoncé isn't well known as songwriter but she will have some degree of participation since the beginning.
Did she takes credits for it in the beginning, no, because she sold albums.
Today is a new time and it's a win win for both songwriter and performer, because more single tracks can be sold.
The songwriter gets money and if he doesn't want that then he can sing the songs by himself, good luck with that.
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Originally posted by JessPop
Are you going to pretend that Ne-Yo didn't specifically state that he wrote the song for himself, it was finished before she heard it, gave it to her, and she simply changed the gender roles or...? You've been avoiding those facts like the plague.
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So what you're saying is she changed the lyrics of a song (and he said she changed the harmonies/vocal arrangements). You stay bringing up NeYo who has since then CLARIFIED what he said, and said she's a great songwriter.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Off the new album Bey wrote Blue, Drunk verses, Mine intro, Jealous verses, Partition verses, ***Flawless, rewrote Ghost/Haunted and probably did or reworked the vocal arrangements on every single song. But I guess she doesn't write because she can't be too perfect
Linda Perry has never even worked Bey
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Originally posted by PULSE.
Her ASCAP Award for Songwriter Of The Year doesn't agree. Facts only.
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TELL EM
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Member Since: 3/31/2012
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Originally posted by Johnny Cash
She didn't won for her songwriting, her songs won awards for the songwriting which is shared with many other people. The only reason she gets the actual award is because she's the singer
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You make no sense. Actually she did with her history making ASCAP SONGWRITING award. When will the others?
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