I'm still confused as to who was overshadowing her in 2003.
I was 8 when she went solo and I still vividly remember the craze behind all of her music. She was definitely the It girl. I didn't hear anything about Britney until the Kiss and Toxic (which was 2004).
And if y'all wanna bring up the Kiss, it was the same award show where Beyoncé won 3 VMA's and also performed
I didn't even remember Beyonce performed that night, Britney was much bigger those years, you must live in a cave or something. Avril sold 16 million albums that year too, and christina sold 12 million, and Im not replying to you if you say they are from 2012, they were active ina huge part of 2003 as well. Bey was the BET IT girl, the it black girl, the queen of urban, targeted to the US only as always. Good for her.
ZzzzzzzzzZZzzzzz. Who cares about numbers outside this forum? Beyonce today is much important, respected and present at the show business.
Britney, well, she`s cute for a throwback.
Well I'm not sure how she is respected when all those superbowl meme's were out there ALL over social media, also last year when the whole inauguration scandal happened the beyonce jokes were all over the place, no one talks about it in this forum to avoid WP's but maaan she is not that respected, everyone was really really insulting her online when that inauguration thing happened, was a Britney shave sized mess. So that it girl status almost happened in 2013 if it wasn't for Miley who saved her lowering herself a little bit more . As everyone above said, she has the bad luck on someone overshadowing her on everything every single time, even the negative things, LMAO!!!!!
Christina Milan debuted in 2001 not 2005, AM to PM?
And the rest you mention are just a few similar tracks, which we shouldn't talk about stealing material of other artists or producers in this specific topic, you know why
To give you a more rational answer since you are more rational than the rest of the hive, there were a few tracks influenced by her obviously but no artist came out as her clone.
You must have missed my correction, but I acknowledged I was wrong about Milian's debut. Read my comment to see the photo comparison of Milian before and after Beyonce's solo debut. Or I can just describe it: from dark haired and "cute" to big honey-blonde hair "Amazon" with a bootylicious outfit.
And the songs I've mentioned are more than just similar tracks. They are clearly inspired by Beyonce. Take a listen to Good Girl Gone Bad for example below and tell me that when the beat comes in a t 10 seconds it doesn't sound almost identical to Irreplaceable. Furthermore I was referring to imitations/influence which is not "stealing material" and your mention of that is unnecessarily shady. If you don't have a counter point don't just try and attack Beyonce for the allegations.
And I agree no one came out as her clone, but they were obviously very inspired by Beyonce's success in the career of Rihanna and the re-imaging of Milian.
Well I'm not sure how she is respected when all those superbowl meme's were out there ALL over social media, also last year when the whole inauguration scandal happened the beyonce jokes were all over the place, no one talks about it in this forum to avoid WP's but maaan she is not that respected, everyone was really really insulting her online when that inauguration thing happened, was a Britney shave sized mess. So that it girl status almost happened in 2013 if it wasn't for Miley who saved her lowering herself a little bit more . As everyone above said, she has the bad luck on someone overshadowing her on everything every single time, even the negative things, LMAO!!!!!
I wouldn't really count a meme and people on the internet trashing a lip-sync performance as a receipt for lack of respect. The meme was about comedy not disrespect. If you want to ignore the thousands+ of great reviews she received for her Superbowl performance and/or the impressed critics who saw her perform the National Anthem at the Superbowl Press Conference, go ahead, but you're really only getting half (or much less) of the story.
I'm not sure how someone who isn't respected can sell a record breaking amount in so little time without having anyone heard a single song from the album. You can't do that if the public doesn't respect your talents and trusts you.
You must have missed my correction, but I acknowledged I was wrong about Milian's debut. Read my comment to see the photo comparison of Milian before and after Beyonce's solo debut. Or I can just describe it: from dark haired and "cute" to big honey-blonde hair with a bootylicious outfit.
And the songs I've mentioned are more than just similar tracks. They are clearly inspired by Beyonce. Take a listen to Good Girl Gone Bad for example below and tell me that when the beat comes in a t 10 seconds it doesn't sound almost identical to Irreplaceable. Furthermore I was referring to imitations/influence which is not "stealing material" and your mention of that is unnecessarily shady. If you don't have a counter point don't just try and attack Beyonce for the allegations.
And I agree no one came out as her clone, but they were obviously very inspired by Beyonce's success in the career of Rihanna and the re-imaging of Milian.
I'm pretty sure that guitar intro in GGGB is also similar to other songs that came before irreplaceable,it's not such a unique tune to be honest.
I still can't believe this thread is going on,she had 2003,2006,2008/9,and now 2014 as the it girl or one of the it girls
I didn't even remember Beyonce performed that night, Britney was much bigger those years, you must live in a cave or something. Avril sold 16 million albums that year too, and christina sold 12 million, and Im not replying to you if you say they are from 2012, they were active ina huge part of 2003 as well. Bey was the BET IT girl, the it black girl, the queen of urban, targeted to the US only as always. Good for her.
Coming off a biT racist, you might wanna slow it down.
The popular music climate of early 2000s was definitely very much hip-hop/R&B inspired, kind of like from the late 90s when Beyoncé was slaying every chart possible as the first lead vocalist () of Destiny's Child. She was definitely the 'it girl' then, she was definitely the 'it girl' in 2003 when she went solo and made 'Crazy in Love', a song more iconic than anything in Avril's discography, definitely more iconic than 'Fighter' which Christina released that year, and more iconic than 'Me Against the Music' which Britney released in '03 as well (the pair up of Britney and Madonna itself is iconic, but the song is forgotten whereas Crazy in Love is not)
I can keep going, but the fact that this thread is at 20+ pages with you still trying to refute Beyoncé is proof enough to me that you're just a really pressed individual unable to see that Beyoncé definitely is / was the 'it girl' since her beginnings. No matter who your fave is, she's probably a lot better, and while you may initially be salty having to accept that, it's gonna make your life a lot easier.
You didn't mention 4 which outsold "Femme Fatale" (which had 2 top 10s) ...AND "Lotus" & "Bionic" total sales COMBINED
It's called mercy, you should have shown some of it tbh.
Yo those people saying Britney and Christina, Beyonce has been owning their asses since 2003.
Britney was only bigger than bey in the media due to her many controversies.
I'm pretty sure that guitar intro in GGGB is also similar to other songs that came before irreplaceable,it's not such a unique tune to be honest.
I still can't believe this thread is going on,she had 2003,2006,2008/9,and now 2014 as the it girl or one of the it girls
I wasn't aiming to claim that the guitar riff is 100% new to pop music. But it's not just the guitar riff. It's the guitar with that distinctive mid-tempo beat. It's very hard to prove that any one song did it before another song. But when Irreplaceable is a bonafide smash amassing 10 impressive weeks at #1, setting radio records, being everywhere, starting a catchphrase (to the left, to the left), etc., it's inevitable and believable that a song released the same year that it was #1 will have been inspired by it. Especially when the instrumentals are so very similar.
I can't with the people here saying she doesn't need to be an It girl or whatever, when she was indeed the It girl of 2003.. No one was touching her that year.
when I say she doesnt need that I mean she's beyond that simple "it girl" thing. beyoncé has been her Generation ICON (00's decade), she's been the artist of the decade -hello! are you kidding me- and you are all discussing her being the it girl for ONE YEAR.we're talking about the artist of decade man.
Beyoncé status is near Legend now. I wont say Legend because she's still alive tho. if her career stops today her ass is still gonna be sit at the first line of grammy's ceremonies and her name will always resonate in GP eras whether you hate her or not;
I wouldn't care for haters opinion in this thread if I was you. she can even loose this poll and she'll still be sitting on her throne asking for Britney, Kay, & Co. to rid her dinner table.
Coming off a biT racist, you might wanna slow it down.
The popular music climate of early 2000s was definitely very much hip-hop/R&B inspired, kind of like from the late 90s when Beyoncé was slaying every chart possible as the first lead vocalist () of Destiny's Child. She was definitely the 'it girl' then, she was definitely the 'it girl' in 2003 when she went solo and made 'Crazy in Love', a song more iconic than anything in Avril's discography, definitely more iconic than 'Fighter' which Christina released that year, and more iconic than 'Me Against the Music' which Britney released in '03 as well (the pair up of Britney and Madonna itself is iconic, but the song is forgotten whereas Crazy in Love is not)
I can keep going, but the fact that this thread is at 20+ pages with you still trying to refute Beyoncé is proof enough to me that you're just a really pressed individual unable to see that Beyoncé definitely is / was the 'it girl' since her beginnings. No matter who your fave is, she's probably a lot better, and while you may initially be salty having to accept that, it's gonna make your life a lot easier.
Nah, I'm not racist, she is black she went big in the black community, nothing to be ashamed of, I didn't write the 20 pages there are at least 150 people who agree with my point who helped elaborate the 20 pages. The rest are either the hive, or the bandwagoners who were shading her her all the way in the 4 era and jumped ship in Dec 13.
I wouldn't really count a meme and people on the internet trashing a lip-sync performance as a receipt for lack of respect. The meme was about comedy not disrespect. If you want to ignore the thousands+ of great reviews she received for her Superbowl performance and/or the impressed critics who saw her perform the National Anthem at the Superbowl Press Conference, go ahead, but you're really only getting half (or much less) of the story.
I'm not sure how someone who isn't respected can sell a record breaking amount in so little time without having anyone heard a single song from the album. You can't do that if the public doesn't respect your talents and trusts you.
EVERYONE was trashing her the inauguration week, and EVERYONE was sharing those meme's because her ignorant press manager asked the press to retire those awful pictures, almost every blog was sharing it just to give the opposite effect of what her management wanted to do. Beyonce must have critics, her fans and some part of the industry praising her, but the GP doesn't respect her much, those 2 things really exposed her, same when the Blue Ivy surrogate thing, who knows if its true but that was also all over the place. I just don't see much respect for her in the real world like this forum claims.
EVERYONE was trashing her the inauguration week, and EVERYONE was sharing those meme's because her ignorant press manager asked the press to retire those awful pictures, almost every blog was sharing it just to give the opposite effect of what her management wanted to do. Beyonce must have critics, her fans and some part of the industry praising her, but the GP doesn't respect her much, those 2 things really exposed her, same when the Blue Ivy surrogate thing, who knows if its true but that was also all over the place. I just don't see much respect for her in the real world like this forum claims.
You're pointing out ridiculous things (surrogacy, lip-syncing, the Super Bowl meme etc.) which went a bit viral on the internet. But keep in mind Beyonce IS well respected by the GP so when rumours like that get out or when she is revealed to have done something less than perfect or when she is captured looking much less than her usual beautiful self, they go everywhere because that's the nature of it. The more shocking the rumours and images are, the more they spread. A celebrity that is not well respected would not have had these things make the same impact. If Snooki had a rumoured surrogate would anyone care? No because they already think she's ridiculous. Beyonce's pregnancy was a Twitter-breaking event. There was lots of interest in it. The rumours don't represent her respect level but the level of hits a blog would get by spreading them.
And what receipts can we use for respect anyway? Can we use the countless legends praising her? Can we use all the news articles that praise her? Can we use the fact that so many people were talking about and loving her new album? Can we use the fact that her album with no announcement sold record breaking amounts based on her name alone? I think yes but I presume you'll disagree because there is something in you that doesn't want to admit that Beyonce has more respect than most popstars.