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Fan Base: Archived: Taylor Swift (#2)
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I need a kunty Taylor avi.
I'm here to drag the Scarrie Underacheievers in the name of The Lord.
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This would have been the best post of all time if "underachievers" had been spelled correctly. 
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Originally posted by thediscomonkey
We can explain it to GP how stupid their view of a person or why they should listen to the full album until our face turn blue, they will keep doing that. It's just what it is. 
So let's not get mad at ppl for calling Her a sell out. We live in singles era. |
But many of the haters ignore her singles, too and act like WANEGBT and IKYWT are the only songs Taylor ever put out. She released Safe and Sound, Eyes Open, Ronan and Begin Again in 2012. I think it's sometimes less of a case of people judging Taylor by her singles and more about them cherry-picking stuff to fit their prejudices and willfully ignoring what doesn't. Just like some do with the lyrics to Fifteen  Or the Lord's supposed attitude to sex.
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VMAs front row: TAYLOR, Selena, Bruno, Gaga, Katy.
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Originally posted by Red Guard
But many of the haters ignore her singles, too and act like WANEGBT and IKYWT are the only songs Taylor ever put out. She released Safe and Sound, Eyes Open, Ronan and Begin Again in 2012. I think it's sometimes less of a case of people judging Taylor by her singles and more about them cherry-picking stuff to fit their prejudices and willfully ignoring what doesn't. Just like some do with the lyrics to Fifteen Or the Lord's supposed attitude to sex. |
The criticisms on Her definitely has a condescending attitude. And most of the time, so ignorant. But everyone has their fair share of it. The bigger an act, the more biased their critics can be. So.
Joni got the same kind of biased criticisms. But look at now, hipster goddess, despite she was actually a semi-alternative mainstream act. 
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Originally posted by Red Guard
There has always been a backlash against that, though. Remember the furor when she won AOTY. Many people were pressed then, seeing her as only the blonde girl who sang about Romeo & Juliet. I think the haters thought they'd be proved right and Taylor would be a flash in the pan. They're mad as hell now that she's four albums into her career and still slaying. Sometimes I'm torn between wanting to see Taylor release All Too Well or State of Grace and silence her doubters once and for all, and wanting her to win more Grammys while only putting out tracks like WANEGBT and 22, because of how riled up and pressed some people will get about it.
I only think that about 22. I think WANEGBT and IKYWT have a lot of Taylor in them. WANEGBT has Taylor's snarky side and IKYWT has her trademark storytelling lyrics. If MM had made IKYWT for Britney, it'd have about a quarter of the word count.
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Truth be told, people were starting to come around during SN era and S&S. I'm not talking about ppl who only follows what the media told them. They are trash and lazy bunch anyway. The 'serious music' circles (the ones who matter) were starting to accept Her. For example, read the comments on that AV Club article I posted before.
After got shocked by WANEGBT that is 'ultra-mainstream' ppl were starting to go back to 50/50 again. Most waited to judge until the LP out. And when it was released, there were thousand think-pieces about Her. Those articles helped to soften the shock. Most notably, Steven Hyden's review on Grantland. Plus the inclusion of sacRED on many best-of lists (including Hyden's & SFJ's), while it made some gullible hipsters mad, it did make some people wanting to get into Her.
I'll give it 2 years until them alternative folks fully accept Her. Right now, they are still telling themselves that it's OK to like Her, She's great. 
WANEGBT is witty. But remember, it's been a while since She showed off Her witty side. IKYWT is a great song tho.
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Btw, I saw a post about what's wrong with chasing success before. Well, the problem with success and money is, you can always have more. Those MM tracks give some folks a bad taste because they sounded like they are calculated for success at the first listen. Speaking of MM, I'd be surprised if Scotty decided to not release another MM track in the future.
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I had to wait six days to be approved and confirmed by ATRL.  I moved to China in that time.
Finally I can post! Who knows how long it'll be before I make friends; I'm gonna need internet conversation more than ever. A pleasant surprise has been discovering how much this country stans for Taylor. My first day I ate in a restaurant that played WANEGBT and then YBWM 2 songs later  . Then at my new job, my colleagues told me that karaoke is the national pastime here and added that the karaoke song selection is " a lot of Abba and a lot of Taylor Swift". They might as well have told me that the karaoke bars have a lot of gorgeous shirtless men who will be giving foot massages and feeding me chocolate.  |
Hi and welcome! 
I think we have spoken on Twitter. 
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Hi and welcome!
I think we have spoken on Twitter. |
Yep, we have.
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Welcome new Disciples 
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This article is old, but my prediction that She will be recognised as a music Goddess in the future like Joni did, is not entirely baseless. |
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Taylor Swift is ruling her kingdom with as much emotional and artistic depth as a Goosebumps book. Yes, her latest single, “Everything Has Changed,” finds the talented artist moving into more mature realms (“All I know since yesterday is everything has changed/And all my walls stood tall painted blue/But I'll take them down, take them down and open up the door for you…”). And her overall cultural impact should not be dismissed. Swift’s latest effort, Red, has moved more than 5 million copies (and counting) internationally. According to a May 17 Billboard report, her Red Tour is leading the concert box office race with over $15 million in tickets sold. Swift, who has now graduated from arenas to that rare territory of football stadiums, is coming off a monster year in which she took in $57 million.
Yet Swift, who writes most of her own material—an aberration in today’s microwave music scene—has built her sizable fame on pubescent-tailored sing-alongs such as “You Belong To Me,” “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together,” and “22.” When she cries, “Knew you were trouble when you walked in/So shame on me now” on the aptly-titled “I Knew You Were Trouble,” it’s as if Swift is channeling all the unfiltered heartbreak of 13-year-old girls everywhere. Indeed, for such a natural talent, it’s the kind of pedestrian line that leaves you wanting more from the older, guitar-strumming American doll.
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I agree in the sense that I feel sometimes Taylor holds back because she has so many young fans and is trying to set a good example of being a squeaky clean role model. I would like her to just not care and sometimes just go for it...
But I also think this article is pretty lame. First off, learn the actual names of her songs. It's "You Belong WITH Me." Right there, the whole thing lost its credibility. Secondly, they conveniently overlook her more adult songs and risque lyrics just for the sake of trying to prove their thin point.
Treacherous, Sparks Fly, Dear John, ATW...they all have much more adult-oriented themes and go beyond "pubescent-tailored-sing-alongs." Way beyond.
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Mmmm at the VMA seating chart. Who was the Disciple that wanted Bruno & Taylor to collaborate ?
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Taylor and Selena gonna be dancing to Applause and drug-mentioning party anthem We Can't Stop and sex anthem Gorilla and OMG I hope they make out during Same Love. 
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I agree in the sense that I feel sometimes Taylor holds back because she has so many young fans and is trying to set a good example of being a squeaky clean role model. I would like her to just not care and sometimes just go for it...
But I also think this article is pretty lame. First off, learn the actual names of her songs. It's "You Belong WITH Me." Right there, the whole thing lost its credibility. Secondly, they conveniently overlook her more adult songs and risque lyrics just for the sake of trying to prove their thin point.
Treacherous, Sparks Fly, Dear John, ATW...they all have much more adult-oriented themes and go beyond "pubescent-tailored-sing-alongs." Way beyond.
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To be fair, She didn't promote those songs as much as She did the radio-ready singles.
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Originally posted by thediscomonkey
To be fair, She didn't promote those songs as much as She did the radio-ready singles. |
Touche. It's not like she pushes them on us like she does the other ones so I guess I can't really complain. I just think that if someone is going to write an entire editorial about this, they should be familiar with an artist's entire discography. Don't write about how all of their music is void of any depth and they need to grow up.
It's clear this person only knows the singles. They can write an article saying that pop artists should grow up more in the songs that they choose to release as singles and on the radio. But I don't think it's fair to speak about their music in generalities and claim they're nothing more than emotionless, polished, sing-alongs.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by thediscomonkey
To be fair, She didn't promote those songs as much as She did the radio-ready singles. |
That's irrelevant, if you're going to write about and dismiss an artists' entire body of work, then the least you can do is actually listen to their work before you write about it.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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what also bothers me is people think She's this prude vapid barbie doll because She doesn't necessarily talk abt Her sex life which is by the way it's private
have they heard ATW, Sparks Fly, IKYWT, Tim McGraw, Treacherous etc.
these songs suggests that She's doing more than making out & holding hands with Her boyfriends.
don't know why people think She hates sex like She loves sex okay She's just private abt it
bye
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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welcome new disciples
you're all babes
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& i agree releasing multiple MM tracks one after the another killed the hype
borshita needs to realize that the GP needs to be schooled. they should have released a MM song then a typical taylor ballad then do the same pattern
ugh
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Originally posted by KSmith011
Touche. It's not like she pushes them on us like she does the other ones so I guess I can't really complain. I just think that if someone is going to write an entire editorial about this, they should be familiar with an artist's entire discography. Don't write about how all of their music is void of any depth and they need to grow up.
It's clear this person only knows the singles. They can write an article saying that pop artists should grow up more in the songs that they choose to release as singles and on the radio. But I don't think it's fair to speak about their music in generalities and claim they're nothing more than emotionless, polished, sing-alongs.
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That's irrelevant, if you're going to write about and dismiss an artists' entire body of work, then the least you can do is actually listen to their work before you write about it.
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Like I said, we live in singles era. Ppl think listening to singles only is enough. And since that person is a critic for Vibe (not a small magazine), I also question how he can get a pass to post that as an editorial. But he raised some good points.
EDIT: I mean, Rick Moody and that one dude from Salon also got the pass to post their ill-informed opinions ffs. Thankfully both got dragged to hell and back by Ilxor and other critics. I think it's just how ppl see Pop tbh.
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Originally posted by bp21xo
what also bothers me is people think She's this prude vapid barbie doll because She doesn't necessarily talk abt Her sex life which is by the way it's private
have they heard ATW, Sparks Fly, IKYWT, Tim McGraw, Treacherous etc.
these songs suggests that She's doing more than making out & holding hands with Her boyfriends.
don't know why people think She hates sex like She loves sex okay She's just private abt it
bye
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Well. GP stands for both general public and gullible public, so.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Right now, I'm over the haters, seriously, in fact I want her to win a ****ing country award with a Pop song, just to piss off those ****ing rednecks, BOW DOWN to the QUEEN, BITCH.
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Mmmm at the VMA seating chart. Who was the Disciple that wanted Bruno & Taylor to collaborate ? |
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A collab with Bruno doesn't sound so bad. Can't be worse than that one with troll. 
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