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News: Four charged for beating Trump Supporter
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Originally posted by Communion
Yet you're clapping this hard for Trump?
Probably some 4chan Libertarian.
Surprised you haven't called anyone a cuck.
How much does marijuana legalization influence your vote?
Centrist libertarians are ironically more annoying than centrist liberals.
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Aww ily too sis!
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Originally posted by Jan
Enslaving people was not okay. There's nothing wrong with maintaining the security in a country though.
It's not the 1880s anymore Some White people living today are not responsible for the actions of the ancestors of some of them .
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Really is that why many of them snaked their way to vote for Trump? Is that why many of them lack empathy for other communities? WELL!! Its time they equally got WOKE and are told to their faces, that the system has ensured they are numbed down to view normalcy in others hurting and they maintain this white supremacist ideologies. The system of their ancestors, that enabled the likes of Trump to get in under disguise of fake economy, when we know well, it all boils down to prejudice.
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Originally posted by Latinazza
Yeah, I'm a racist Black woman who also happens to be a Latina. That makes a lot of sense. Why don't you use your cognitive abilities before posting personal attacks and nonsense?
I have posted many emotionally charged and angry things about the Donald and his supporters who are actually racist. But I'm not gonna make generalizing statements about every white individual in our nation or this planet, and I sure will NEVER condone or support violence against those who have a differing political view. I was raised better than that.
But keep on keepin' on, baby.
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Originally posted by Jan
Enslaving people was not okay. There's nothing wrong with maintaining the security in a country though.
It's not the 1880s anymore. White people living today are not responsible for the actions of the ancestors of some of them.
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Imprisoning law abiding citizens is also not okay.
True. I guess it's a good thing a majority those countries gained independence in the mid to late 20th century. lol. Stop fighting with history, you'll never beat it. That's as far as I engage in this specific unrelated topic.
The point in bringing it up being, if you're going to imprison a group of people, you have to apply said policy evenly. More terrorist attacks have been perpetrated by whites in the US than any other ethnic group (just ask black parents and grandparents), and if there's no registry for them...  We just don't do that in the US.
And also, I hope ya'll Europeans are starting to see the mindset for gun rights in the US. No one is about their rights being trampled on. Not in this country.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
if white people today benefit from the actions of their ancestors and people of color today suffer as a result of those same actions then they definitely are responsible for making it right
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I'm white. Where is my colonial fortune built off other people's suffering? Same with a few hundred millions of whites living in countries which didn't have colonies? And people who arrived as immigrants to America after colonialism was over?
You are basically condoning collective guilt.
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stupid people, i swear to god
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Originally posted by rihannafan
So what i got from this thread is that Latinazza, FBF, St. Charles, Jan and TC are all racists who think "grabbing women by the *****" is an okay thing to say or vote for.
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Pity for you that I stood by the only candidate that hasn't been openly racist.
The one the DNC ****ed over.
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Originally posted by Travis Bickle
Queen Susan was so right 
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Queen Susan was also so right in running Nader's campaign
A shame about Gore losing and a million people having to die in an illegal war but who cares about that when queen Susan gets to be right again.
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Originally posted by L.B GAGA
Really is that why many of them snaked their way to vote for Trump? Is that why many of them lack empathy for other communities? WELL!! Its time they equally got WOKE and are told to their faces, that the system has ensured they are numbed down to view normalcy in others hurting and they maintain this white supremacist ideologies. The system of their ancestors, that enabled the likes of Trump to get in under disguise of fake economy, when we know well, it all boils down to prejudice.
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So not only you condone collective responsibility but also you think that lex talionis is a good idea? Thanks for letting me know how progressive liberals are.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
Imprisoning law abiding citizens is also not okay.
True. I guess it's a good thing a majority those countries gained independence in the mid to late 20th century. lol. Stop fighting with history, you'll never beat it. That's as far as I engage in this specific unrelated topic.
The point in bringing it up being, if you're going to imprison a group of people, you have to apply said policy evenly. More terrorist attacks have been perpetrated by whites in the US than any other ethnic group (just ask black parents and grandparents), and if there's no registry for them... We just don't do that in the US.
And also, I hope ya'll Europeans are starting to see the mindset for gun rights in the US. No one is about their rights being trampled on. Not in this country. |
I support individual gun ownership.
I never said it is okay. I used it as an analogy of someone's liberties being temporarily limited for security reasons being a precedent.
And that is because Muslims were (and still are) a marginal group within the United States. However, when seen proportionally, and in a global setting, things don't look so cute.
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Originally posted by Jan
I support individual gun ownership.
I never said it is okay. I used it as an analogy of someone's liberties being temporarily limited for security reasons being a precedent.
And that is because Muslims were (and still are) a marginal group within the United States. However, when seen proportionally, and in a global setting, things don't look so cute.
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Maybe it's "precedent" for you, but it's "unconstitutional" for most people living in the US.
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Originally posted by Jan
So not only you condone collective responsibility but also you think that lex talionis is a good idea? Thanks for letting me know how progressive liberals are.
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Skipped through the bit called
Not surprised with you republican racists, you'd vote racists any day in the name of economy(divorcing crazy peoples stands for your bias)
its all about lack of empathy for others, for fake economic gain, that never happens. Only till the so called liberals, save the economy and give you more opportunities. The irony. Get woke sis, minorities also matter.
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yeah democrats go on and show us your true colours. yikes
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Originally posted by Jan
So not only you condone collective responsibility but also you think that lex talionis is a good idea? Thanks for letting me know how progressive liberals are.
Muslims were (and still are) a marginal group within the United States. However, when seen proportionally, and in a global setting, things don't look so cute.
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You always make these generalizing statements about so-called liberals (based on one individual's extreme statement) and then act all hurt when people do the same with white-supremacist groups, ultra-conservatives, etc. How does that work?
Also, the number of Muslims in the U.S. may sound "marginal" to you, but is three million people. That's not an insignificant number. To generalize them all as potentially dangerous, questionable, or anything other than law-abiding Americans makes no sense at all.
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Originally posted by Latinazza
You always make these generalizing statements about so-called liberals (based on one individual's extreme statement) and then act all hurt when people do the same with white-supremacist groups, ultra-conservatives, etc. How does that work?
Also, the number of Muslims in the U.S. may sound "marginal" to you, but is three million people. That's not an insignificant number. To generalize them all as potentially dangerous, questionable, or anything other than law-abiding Americans makes no sense at all.
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My literature teacher is Muslim. He loves baseball, he's funny, he's just like anyone else. I don't really understand why people are so afraid of Muslims or act like they are a huge problem. Clearly, there was a lack of reasoning on their part.
I can't really call it "racist," since Islam isn't a race. But it's hateful and bigoted. It's so easy to scapegoat a group who, if we're being honest, have basically nothing to do with the U.S. (for the most part).
But I'm not calling @Jan hateful or bigoted and my comment above doesn't apply to them.
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Originally posted by Latinazza
You always make these generalizing statements about so-called liberals (based on one individual's extreme statement) and then act all hurt when people do the same with white-supremacist groups, ultra-conservatives, etc. How does that work?
Also, the number of Muslims in the U.S. may sound "marginal" to you, but is three million people. That's not an insignificant number. To generalize them all as potentially dangerous, questionable, or anything other than law-abiding Americans makes no sense at all.
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Because all of social liberalism to me isn't any different from each other. It's based off an initially good idea, which involved into an oppressive and contradictory philosophy.
I don't act all hurt on it. In fact, I leave all emotions out of arguments.
I don't support white supremacism and ultra conservatism. I'm very largely libertarian, I support people's right to believe in what they wish. What I fight against is people limiting other people's rights in the name of what they think is good. The place where I draw the border is physically hurting other people or limiting the rights of other citizens in a very unfair and unjustified way.
This argument started with people endorsing beating Trump supporters because they don't agree in what they believed in. I strongly criticised and opposed it, because everyone is entitled to believe in what they want and vote accordingly to it.
About Muslims, the problem is that Islam is a dangerous ideology and it's completely incompatible with Western values. A Muslim coming to a Western, Christian country has to accept Western values. Without doing so, they won't really defend them. Instead, they'll just remain silent like the just like that girl in the video I shared in here before.
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Originally posted by Jan
I'm white. Where is my colonial fortune built off other people's suffering? Same with a few hundred millions of whites living in countries which didn't have colonies? And people who arrived as immigrants to America after colonialism was over?
You are basically condoning collective guilt.
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You do not live in America. You live in a European country which did not have any colonies or territories outside of Europe. The historical context is not applicable to you. Regardless, if you were to come to the US you would benefit from white privilege because history set up a system of white supremacy.
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Originally posted by Jan
About Muslims, the problem is that Islam is a dangerous ideology and it's completely incompatible with Western values. A Muslim coming to a Western, Christian country has to accept Western values. Without doing so, they won't really defend them. Instead, they'll just remain silent like the just like that girl in the video I shared in here before.
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And yet american Muslims are very EASILY able to fit in and be liberal. Hmm, maybe it's the way American leftism suggests treating them with respect, unlike the European far-right view of banning their liberties & treating them like dirt. Hmmm.
Muslims in the US are more accepting of gays than Protestants and Mormons, some of the biggest voting blocs in the Republican party, yet racist Republicans' ONLY attack on Clinton being "anti-LGBT" was "wanting to bring in people from the ME who toss gays off roofs". 
Guess we better fire up those Protestant and Mormon registries!
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
You do not live in America. You live in a European country which did not have any colonies or territories outside of Europe. The historical context is not applicable to you. Regardless, if you were to come to the US you would benefit from white privilege because history set up a system of white supremacy.
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White supremacy ended 50 years ago. Everyone now enjoys equal rights.
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Originally posted by Communion
And yet american Muslims are very EASILY able to fit in and be liberal. Hmm, maybe it's the way American leftism suggests treating them with respect, unlike the European far-right view of banning their liberties & treating them like dirt. Hmmm.
Muslims in the US are more accepting of gays than Protestants and Mormons, some of the biggest voting blocs in the Republican party, yet racist Republicans' ONLY attack on Clinton being "anti-LGBT" was "wanting to bring in people from the ME who toss gays off roofs".
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52% against  . If you call this progressive. The issue is that the vast majority of Muslims in the US are first or second generation immigrants. Just because the protestant figures for LGBT tolerance are low, doesn't mean we should accept immigrant intolerance as well.
Bringing immigrants from intolerant Muslim countries will not magically make them tolerant the second they enter the United States, so the "racist Republicans" aren't really wrong. Just look at how the millions of the so-called refugees in Europe behave in Germany, France, Sweden and other Western countries.
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Originally posted by Jan
White supremacy ended 50 years ago. Everyone now enjoys equal rights.
52% against . If you call this progressive. The issue is that the vast majority of Muslims in the US are first or second generation immigrants. Just because the protestant figures for LGBT tolerance are low, doesn't mean we should accept immigrant intolerance as well.
Bringing immigrants from intolerant Muslim countries will not magically make them tolerant the second they enter the United States, so the "racist Republicans" aren't really wrong. Just look at how the millions of the so-called refugees in Europe behave in Germany, France, Sweden and other Western countries. |
So Muslims who hate gays abroad = bad
But... Mormons & Evangelists in the US who hate gays* = good?
* - This literally describes our Vice President-elect.
Again, I ask. Will Mike Pence register himself as an anti-gay Christian terrorist in the same way his fellow Republicans discuss Muslims? Will he be on a national list for our FBI to keep track off due to the harm he can inflict on Americans?
Also, stop comparing America to Europe.
European vetting is literally completely different.
Canada, with similar vetting to the US, is doing just fine.
Odd how Europe constantly needs to talk about THEIR issues and claim they'll "EVENTUALLY happen" in the US and Canada despite no sign of this happening. It's almost like it's a fallacy.
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Originally posted by Communion
So Muslims who hate gays abroad = bad
But... Mormons & Evangelists in the US who hate gays* = good?
* - This literally describes our Vice President-elect.
Again, I ask. Will Mike Pence register himself as an anti-gay Christian terrorist in the same way his fellow Republicans discuss Muslims? Will he be on a national list for our FBI to keep track off due to the harm he can inflict on Americans?
Also, stop comparing America to Europe.
European vetting is literally completely different.
Canada, with similar vetting, is doing just fine.
Odd how Europe constantly needs to talk about THEIR issues and claim they'll "EVENTUALLY happen" in the US and Canada despite no sign of this happening. It's almost like it's a fallacy.
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Not good, but need to be tolerated because they are citizens. And let's not make it worse with foreigners.
Mike Pence doesn't kill people or call for them to be killed. Mike Pence doesn't call for limiting other people's rights in an unjustified way. The compulsory gay conversion camps stuff is persistent propaganda of the leftist media who try to scare as many people as possible to turn them against the Republican government. And they keep on failing, because an increasing amount of people, including gays, are fed up with this.
And this isn't happening because your government, despite being led by someone I would call a leftist activist, isn't as stupid as the idiot socialists that run the European Union. Or maybe it's thanks to the Republican Congress? That I don't know, what I know is that there is someone in your country that is actually drawing conclusions from Europe's experiences with peaceful Muslims.
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