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Discussion: What's your stance on...? #46: Organ Donation
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What a giant waste of cash
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by MonsterRoco
What a giant waste of cash
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What a giant waste of lives.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
What a giant waste of lives.
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Agree....
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In my opinion those men and women did not die defending their country, they died fullfilling the wishes of a paranoid government. They should not still be there and I have issues with the whole thing starting in the first place.
Obviously September 11th was a huge catalyst but in reality the bombers/terrorists were Saudi Arabian and the families of those bombers where escorted out of the country the day after the bombings rather than be held for questioning etc. Why you ask? Because Saudi Arabia and the USA are massively entwined due to money and oil, bush was actually invested heavily in a Saudi Arabian oil company at the time. Afghanistan became a scape-goat and a target for peoples grief and anger.
Not only did Americans and British soldiers have no real reason to die but there is also no excuse for the civilian deaths. Britain definitely shouldn't have been America's get a way driver, we had no reason to be there.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Agree with the Saudi Arabia point
I am not from Britain but the dying needs to stop.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Agree with the Saudi Arabia point
I am not from Britain but the dying needs to stop.
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The whole situation is horrible.
And no-one can tell me it's a worth cause because no cause could be so worthy.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
The whole situation is horrible.
And no-one can tell me it's a worth cause because no cause could be so worthy.
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Agree
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Member Since: 6/10/2009
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Wrong. Did you guys no that the U.S. is censoring photojournalists in war zones? So we don't even know the full picture. That's what one of my research papers is on this year. It's very interesting to see their policies.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by sticks
Wrong. Did you guys no that the U.S. is censoring photojournalists in war zones? So we don't even know the full picture. That's what one of my research papers is on this year. It's very interesting to see their policies.
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really? wow....
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Member Since: 6/10/2009
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Originally posted by sticks
Wrong. Did you guys no that the U.S. is censoring photojournalists in war zones? So we don't even know the full picture. That's what one of my research papers is on this year. It's very interesting to see their policies.
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Feel free to point out what exactly I said that was wrong. Chances are it is being censored because they are doing horrific things like water boarding and torturing.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by sticks
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If the conflict in Vietnam was notable for open access given to journalists — too much, many critics said, as the war played out nightly in bloody newscasts — the Iraq war may mark an opposite extreme: after five years and more than 4,000 American combat deaths, searches and interviews turned up fewer than a half-dozen graphic photographs of dead American soldiers.
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While the Bush administration faced criticism for overt political manipulation in not permitting photos of flag-draped coffins, the issue is more emotional on the battlefield: local military commanders worry about security in publishing images of the American dead as well as an affront to the dignity of fallen comrades. Most newspapers refuse to publish such pictures as a matter of policy.
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“It is absolutely censorship,” Mr. Miller said. “I took pictures of something they didn’t like, and they removed me. Deciding what I can and cannot document, I don’t see a clearer definition of censorship.”
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The Marine Corps denied it was trying to place limits on the news media and said Mr. Miller broke embed regulations. Security is the issue, officials said.
“Specifically, Mr. Miller provided our enemy with an after-action report on the effectiveness of their attack and on the response procedures of U.S. and Iraqi forces,” said Lt. Col. Chris Hughes, a Marine spokesman.
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“During the invasion it got a lot of ‘Whoopee, we’re kicking their butts’-type of TV coverage,” he said.
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Now, he said the situation is nuanced and unpredictable. Generally, he said, the access reporters get “very much depends on the local commander.” More specifically, he said, “They’ve always been freaky about bodies.”
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When a suicide bomber detonated his vest inside the council meeting, killing 20 people, including 3 marines, Mr. Miller was one of the first to arrive. His photos show a scene of horror, with body parts littering the ground and heaps of eviscerated corpses. Mr. Miller was able to photograph for less than 10 minutes, he said, before being escorted from the scene.
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In April 2008, Mr. Pagetti tried to cover heavy fighting in Baghdad’s Sadr City. “The commander there refused to let me in,” Mr. Pagetti said. “He said it was unsafe. I know it’s unsafe, there’s a war going on. It was unsafe when I got to Iraq in 2003, but the military did not stop us from working. Now, they are stopping us from working.”
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wow................. thank you for the article.
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People are confusing the war in Afghanistan wit the war in Iraq. We went into Afghanistan first, after the attacks on 9/11. The intent was to find Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, as well as to depose their Taliban supporters. Though we still haven't found bin Laden, the war initially proved successful and greatly bettered life in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, in recent years, the Taliban has somewhat made a comeback. For now, I think we need to stay there in order to make sure it stays free and stable. Iraq, on the other hand, is a completely different situation. That was an unjustified war and has only led to a complete devastation of the country. We really need to get out of there -- which at least we are in the process of doing right not -- before Iraq can begin to fix itself. But sadly, I think those reparations are going to be a long time coming.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
People are confusing the war in Afghanistan wit the war in Iraq. We went into Afghanistan first, after the attacks on 9/11. The intent was to find Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, as well as to depose their Taliban supporters. Though we still haven't found bin Laden, the war initially proved successful and greatly bettered life in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, in recent years, the Taliban has somewhat made a comeback. For now, I think we need to stay there in order to make sure it stays free and stable. Iraq, on the other hand, is a completely different situation. That was an unjustified war and has only led to a complete devastation of the country. We really need to get out of there, which at least we are in the process of doing right now. But sadly, I think it's going to take Iraq a really long time to fix itself.
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Iraq will probably never fix itself.... it will be taken over by one of the surrounding powers.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Iraq will probably never fix itself.... it will be taken over by one of the surrounding powers.
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I'm not totally sure about that. The state of Kurdistan (where the oil is) has always been pretty wealthy and stable. Iraq's problem is the internal power struggle between different ethnic groups.
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I just noticed that this is 6th most viewed thread, that's really surprising, great work GeoK
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by supaspaz
I'm not totally sure about that. The state of Kurdistan (where the oil is) has always been pretty wealthy and stable. Iraq's problem is the internal power struggle between different ethnic groups.
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Umm... do you really think Turkey is going to let that happen? Turkey will fight the Kurds to the death for those resources. And Turkey (who has one of the largest armies in the European Union) is a force to be reckoned with.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by Sunderland 4ever
I just noticed that this is 6th most viewed thread, that's really surprising, great work GeoK
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Thank you I just wanted to see different people's viewpoints on topics of interest.
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
Feel free to point out what exactly I said that was wrong. Chances are it is being censored because they are doing horrific things like water boarding and torturing.
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100% sure he meant the war is wrong, not you.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by supaspaz
People are confusing the war in Afghanistan wit the war in Iraq. We went into Afghanistan first, after the attacks on 9/11. The intent was to find Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, as well as to depose their Taliban supporters. Though we still haven't found bin Laden, the war initially proved successful and greatly bettered life in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, in recent years, the Taliban has somewhat made a comeback. For now, I think we need to stay there in order to make sure it stays free and stable. Iraq, on the other hand, is a completely different situation. That was an unjustified war and has only led to a complete devastation of the country. We really need to get out of there -- which at least we are in the process of doing right not -- before Iraq can begin to fix itself. But sadly, I think those reparations are going to be a long time coming.
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Both, in fact all wars, are unjustified in ways.
Can I ask who seemed to be confusing Iraq and Afghanistan, I didn't see anyone do tat
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