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We don't got snow over here in the winter but I guess we got snow in the middle of July..And this is M16 for sure.
Just goes to show how you can't trust anything you read.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Yeah, there is MUCH loss in Israeli civilians. The damage is REAL on both sides people! 
Thirty-two Israeli soldiers have been killed, together with three civilians on the Israeli side, one of them a foreign worker from Thailand.
http://www.latimes.com/world/middlee...725-story.html
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The Palestinian resistance actually claims more 71 Israeli soldiers were killed, which I tend to believe, since the other side is the Israeli media 
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And this goes to show how baised the world is.
I'm done commenting on this thread. I'm done with trying to tell people how things are really are.
Seems like some people over here are really trying to understand what's really going on, but they are the smallest group of people over here cuz' the large part of people in here are just anti-Israel and does not care at all about what's the truth while the other part are people who try to defand Israel from what all the anti-Israel members try to picture Israel off cuz' they are tired like me of the one sided picture which is represnt over here over and over, while forgetting to tell you there is a part to this war which is called Hamas. But guess that's a convenient way to show the story for people over here.
I can sit here and try to explain things for a whole day but there's no one to listen from people who actually needs to listen. Cuz' they are so sure about the "facts" they are presenting. That the picture above just seems to be demonstrating how fake that drive that most of them got for "stop killing/stop Israel" is.
I do not justify any killing of innoncent people. In any side.
But this is war. A war to stop people who need to be stopped so peace can come. Hopefully.
Yes, mistakes are made in the way to it, I can't challange it. But hey, guess Israel is not up to peace, they just want to kill Palestinians. After all they are the ones who didn't agree to the cease-fire.
Irony my friends, that's what define best this thread and most of the world view on things in the Gaza/Israel situation.
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People are more prone to fight for the oppressed than those who are killed in balanced battles. It's human nature. Our feelings are select.
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
And this goes to show how baised the world is.
I'm done commenting on this thread. I'm done with trying to tell people how things are really are.
Seems like some people over here are really trying to understand what's really going on, but they are the smallest group of people over here cuz' the large part people in here are just anti-Israel and does not care at all about what's the truth while the other part are people who try to defand Israel from what all the anti-Israel members try to picture Israel off cuz' they are tired like me of the one sided picture which is represnt over here over and over, while forgetting to tell you there is a part to this war which called Hamas. But guess that's a convenient way to show the story for people over here.
I can sit here and try to explain things for a whole day but there's no one to listen from people who actually needs to listen. Cuz' they are so sure about the "facts" they are presenting. That the picture above just seems to be demonstrating how fake that drive that most of them got for "stop killing/stop Israel" is.
I do not justify any killing of innoncent people. In any side.
But this is war. A war to stop people who need to be stopped so peace can come. Hopefully.
But hey, guess Israel is not up to peace, they just want to kill Palestinians. After all they are the ones who didn't agree to the cease-fire.
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What has this got to do with syria? Why is it when people criticise israel you feel the need to play the "well look what they're doing" card. Most of us have the capability to be critical of all these issues, just because we are criticizing Israels terrorism doesn't mean we ignore whats happening in syria . Infact its ironic how you say that first photo you posted of the israeli soldier with the gun is misleading yet go on to post this photo of how people are ignoring syria with "none demonstrations" . There have been protests for syria also, here was one in london
there are plenty more if you bothered to search for them, but no you would rather play the victim card and complain about people only focusing on Israel. Maybe if you realised your government is murdering innocents and is killing for no good reason at all you would see why the world is calling them out for crimes against humanity.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
What has this got to do with syria? Why is it when people criticise israel you feel the need to play the "well look what they're doing" card. Most of us have the capability to be critical of all these issues, just because we are criticizing Israels terrorism doesn't mean we ignore whats happening in syria . Infact its ironic how you say that first photo you posted of the israeli soldier with the gun is misleading yet go on to post this photo of how people are ignoring syria with "none demonstrations" . There have been protests for syria also, here was one in london
there are plenty more if you bothered to search for them, but no you would rather play the victim card and complain about people only focusing on Israel. Maybe if you realised your government is murdering innocents and is killing for no good reason at all you would see why the world is calling them out for crimes against humanity. |
You are right. Guess protecting it's own people from being fired misslies at for the past 13 years is no good reason.
But hey, we started it. We were the ones who kidnept 3 16 yo kids and killed them for fun.
Guess we're the ones who is firing missiles at the other side for no reason.
Like I said, Irony.
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
You are right. Guess protecting it's own people from being fired misslies at for the past 13 years is no good reason.
But hey, we started it. We were the ones who kidnept 3 16 yo kids and killed them for fun.
Guess we're the ones who is firing missiles at the other side for no reason.
Like I said, Irony.
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Shelling 4 kids on the beach in plain daylight is protecting its own people?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=24583817
Bombing a UN school is protecting its own people?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28468526
Stealing land and building illegal settlements on Palestinian land is protecting their own citizens?
Can't you see why people are done with the "israel is defending itself" excuse ?
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And I am done with this "stealing" land excuse.
Cuz' if defanding itself is and excuse [o.O] than how is stealing land excuse can justify shooting missles and this -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...uicide_attacks
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1 1980s
1989 (1 attack)
1993 (2 bombings)
1994 (5 bombings)
1995 (4 bombings)
1996 (4 bombings)
1997 (3 bombings)
1998 (2 bombings)
1999 (2 bombings)
2000 (5 bombings)
2001 (40 bombings)
2002 (47 bombings)
2003 (23 bombings)
2004 (17 bombings)
2005 (9 bombings)
2006 (3 bombings)
2007 (1 bombing)
2008 (2 bombings)
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This article contains Lists of Palestinian suicide attacks carried out by Palestinian individuals and militant groups. The international community considers the use of indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations[1] and the use of human shields[2][3] as illegal under international law.[4]
A 2007 study of Palestinian suicide bombings during the Second Intifada (September 2000 through August 2005) found that 39.9 percent of the suicide attacks were carried out by Hamas, 26.4 percent by Fatah, 25.7 percent by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ),
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I'm not justifying those suicide attacks, yet you are justifying Israels crimes. And don't act like you aren't stealing land, every other day there is new news of illegal settlments being given the go ahead by your government. Are you against these settlements being built on Palestinian land? Are you against the blockade of Palestine imposed by your government which has been cited as the mean reason for Palestinian resistance?
Those attacks do not justify killing innocent Palestinians today. Why aren't you critical of your government killing kids on the beach or bombing a UN school?
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Finally the pro Israeli Dutch government decided to give money to the Red Cross to be used in Gaza.
They gave €500.000. That's hardly anything tho, but better then nothing.
@NickLacheyFan before you go bring Syria into it again and nobody did anything for them. The Dutch government already gave 59.000.000 Euro to Syria to support the refugees, hospitals and settler camps. So in basically 500.000 is peanuts for a country that has whole areas bombarded to pulp.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
I'm not justifying those suicide attacks, yet you are justifying Israels crimes. And don't act like you aren't stealing land, every other day there is new news of illegal settlments being given the go ahead by your government. Are you against these settlements being built on Palestinian land? Are you against the blockade of Palestine imposed by your government which has been cited as the mean reason for Palestinian resistance?
Those attacks do not justify killing innocent Palestinians today. Why aren't you critical of your government killing kids on the beach or bombing a UN school?
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Where do you see me justifying this? Read my first post again.
Not only did I say "I do not justify any killing of innoncent people. In any side." I said I'm tired of this one sided picture which is presented over here.
People come to this thread talking about Israel only. Forggeting there is another side to the story called Hamas.
I gotta go but I had to answer your questions but it's gonna be quick.
All I can say is that if it was the IDF who hit the school [It's still not sure if it was them or the Hamas, there's an invastigation], and my goverment won't apologaize for it than yes, I will be super pissed. But you are frogetting a few things. That list is just the suicide attacks that happened. There are many that got prevanted, and is still being prevented today. Just like there are missiles who killed people and there are way more that missed targets or people evacuate the place quickly. Israel had been on the preventing side for years now, just like the develapment of Iron Doom. We got tight security all over the country to prevent from palestinian attackers to get in, and trust me, they do try one a daily bases. [Which you can relate to my blockade comment later on]
You are clearly trying to take my words out of contex as I did not say those attacks in the past are reason for the attack on Gaza today. But again, Irony, if the past shouldn't matter for the present than how is the "land stealing" is still relavent for today's attack off the palestinians? Since Israel didn't attack Gaza when they did not attack us [or at least didn't fired 120 rockets a day, cuz' like I said, it's been 13 years that they fired missiles at us, but when it's in small amount there isn't a respose for IDF usually].
Which bring us the the next subject, the blockade.
The palestinian people resistance is not becuase of the blockade, the blockade is because of the palestinian resistance.
If there wasn't any blockade, Hamas would have had way more weapon, Israel would be attacked way more and it was easier for boomers to get inside Israel.
I am not up for people being in a blockade but I can not see how at this current situation, the blockade can be removed.
Anyways I gotta go. Hopefully this time when you comment and quote me, you won't try to twist my words into what is good for you. Have a good day.
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
Where do you see me justifying this? Read my first post again.
Not only did I say "I do not justify any killing of innoncent people. In any side." I said I'm tired of this one sided picture which is presented over here.
People come to this thread talking about Israel only. Forggeting there is another side to the story called Hamas.
I gotta go but I had to answer your questions but it's gonna be quick.
All I can say is that if it was the IDF who hit the school [It's still not sure if it was them or the Hamas, there's an invastigation], and my goverment won't apologaize for it than yes, I will be super pissed. But you are frogetting a few things. That list is just the suicide attacks that happened. There are many that got prevanted, and is still being prevented today.
You are clearly trying to take my words out of contex as I did not say those attacks in the past are reason for the attack on Gaza today. But again, Irony, if the past shouldn't matter for the present than how is the "land stealing" is still relavent for today's attack off the palestinians? Since Israel didn't attack Gaza when they did not attack us [or at least didn't fired 120 rockets a day, cuz' like I said, it's been 13 years that they fired missiles at us, but when it's in small amount there isn't a respose for IDF usually].
Which bring us the the next subject, the blockade.
The palestinian people resistance is not becuase of the blockade, the blockade is because of the palestinian resistance.
If there wasn't any blockade, Hamas would have had way more weapon, Israel would be attacked way more and it was easier for boomers to get inside Israel.
I am not up for people being in a blockade but I can not see how at this current situation, the blockade can be removed.
Anyways I gotta go. Hopefully this time when you comment and quote me, you won't try to twist my words into what is good for you. Have a good day.
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The picture may seem one sided to you because at the moment that very much so seems to be the case, the numbers speak for themselves.
It was the IDF who hit the school, the fact that you are even questioning it maybe hamas is laughable.
I never said the past shouldn't matter, but it shouldnt be used as an excuse to try and justify the bombing in palestine today. Plus the land stealing is not in the past, it is happening today, they are buidiing new settlements as we speak in palestine, if israel truly wanted peace they would stop stealing more and more land, it's simple.
The blockade is inhumane, and is a form of collective punishment on gaza because of the actions of a few. By that logic we should impose a blockade on israel because of the war crimes currently being committed in palestine by it's soldiers, no? I'm sure you won't feel the same when the collective punishment is reversed.
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Nnnnnnn @ people still thinking this Operation Protective Edge started because of the three boys being kidnapped and killed 
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Yeah, there is MUCH loss in Israeli civilians. The damage is REAL on both sides people!
Thirty-two Israeli soldiers have been killed, together with three civilians on the Israeli side, one of them a foreign worker from Thailand.
http://www.latimes.com/world/middlee...725-story.html
Let's keep killing to prevent any more Israeli deaths!! |
See, this is where a bit of hypocrisy begins to come through. You claim that the reason you're anti-Israel's government is because they're targeting and killing innocent Palestinian civilians, and therefore you're just "pro-human life". And we can debate that as much as we want, but that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. However, in this post, you were flat-out making fun of and mocking the deaths of Israelis. Don't deny that that's what you were doing - you brought up the deaths of both soldiers AND civilians, and both prefaced and ended it with a sarcastic, mocking tone. So when you post something like this, the message is that you DON'T care about human life, because the death of innocent people is just some joke to you. So which one is it? Are you absolutely outraged by death, or is it something that deserves sarcasm and mockery? Because this post makes it seem like the latter, and in that case, you really have no reason to be against Israel.
Also, while I'm quoting you:
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Let me not read the rest of your dumbass post.
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You are filth if you think these bodies are human shields.
Your brain is not functioning if you think this is the right thing to do.
We won't repeat ourselves again either but for once, for your brain's sake, we will.
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It all looks good on paper, but you're a fool if you believe it.
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May I ask why it's necessary for you to attack and insult every single person who disagrees with you? The fact is, this conflict is extremely complex and has no "correct" answer, so people who have a different opinion than you do not deserved to be called dumb, fools, heartless and filth. Even if there was one correct answer, you're directly attacking posters on a forum. These people you're replying to aren't the ones doing the Gaza invasion.
The only thing you accomplish by repeatedly insulting people is that you make your arguments and credibility seem EXTREMELY weak, because your points don't seem to be strong enough to survive on their own without a personal jab at another user. Feel free to respond angrily to me and call me some immature name (although it will kind of just prove my point), but the fact is that no matter how simple or complicated this issue is, it does not warrant you sending so much hate towards other people in this thread.
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It seems there is a 12 hour cease fire.
The 1 week cease fire was rejected by Israel
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Aguilera should take this as an opportunity to release Cease Fire as a single for this case to get ha hit. 
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Off-topic but while I am generalizing to an extent, the world hates Israel to the core right now. Even if western media or media in general may not have been covering this issue thus far, I want to know how is Israel handling it? Like do you guys feel the hate? I was at the barber and just noticed that Jews around Europe are being subject to all kinds of hatred and sabotages at their respective work places.
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I still can't get over the fact that Israel rejected the first ceasefire plan. Why? 
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I still can't get over the fact that Israel rejected the first ceasefire plan. Why? |
The number of Palestinian deaths rose to 891 and more than 5000 wounded just when the Palestinian resistance announced that 80 Israeli soldiers died other than the ones who died when the resistance bombed countless Israeli tanks and others. So...revenge?
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