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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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What are trumps plan in regard to college debt? I don't remember him ever addressing the topic
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Muslim refugee rapes a woman, we should contemplate ceasing all acceptance of every refugee seeking asylum? For every muslim who rapes a woman, 3 white men domestically, have done the same. Should we deport or segregate white men from the rest of the population? It is asinine to condemn an entire religion or race for the actions of some. Never is it okay to do so. When you let hate and bigoted views such as that prevail, we have loss at the game of life.
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I'm going to need a citation for that  As if Western men and Western society is somehow more dangerous for women. Hilarious.
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Oh, and Retro  Mischaracterizing everything I post, all the citations I post and every argument I make is not going to actually change the reality of what's going on in the world. I've actually not called anyone names in here at all yet here I am flooded with attacks (by moderators no less; check my wall, too!). All these tactics will not stop the truth or Donald Trump from winning in November. This is what the truth feels like.
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I'm going to need a citation for that As if Western men and Western society is somehow more dangerous for women. Hilarious.
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Oh, and Retro Mischaracterizing everything I post, all the citations I post and every argument I make is not going to actually change the reality of what's going on in the world. I've actually not called anyone names in here at all yet here I am flooded with attacks (by moderators no less; check my wall, too!). All these tactics will not stop the truth or Donald Trump from winning in November. This is what the truth feels like. |
I don't believe this is genuine. You have to be a troll. You're not fooling me.
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Child, WHAT? We can't pursue work in the same manner as our male counterparts in the workforce because there is discrimination against us. Discrimination in which cripples us from equal pay, opportunity for career growth, and RESPECT among a few things.
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Not the equal pay myth again  That is up for serious contention. I've reported on that multiple times in here. Respect is earned, agreed. Laws and Hillary Clinton can't force people to respect you in a free society.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Ex: "Is she emotionally sound enough, to handle a position of this caliber?" Feeding off the stigma of women being overly emotional and that we're incapable of controlling our emotions. Sure, we have a way of letting our feelings drive matters, but not all women do that and in some scenarios, it isn't a bad thing. Don't lecture us about the work ethic of majority of women in the workforce. We bust our asses, working twice as hard for only half the credit of a male college doing similar work.
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None of this is true. Sure, there's stigma's about women. It sucks. Everyone has them, though. Would women ever pick a male babysitter over a female one? Nope. Stigma that men are dangerous and hurt children and/or can't care for children (this effects gay men, too) suck, too. Stigma's are apart of life. You rise above them - not legislate them away (along with all of our freedom ).
And yeah, I wonder if Retro will call you out like he did to me for not having citations for all of this stuff? "Women work twice as hard as men", "For only half the credit of a male in college doing similar work"? I don't believe any of this is true. In fact, most college graduates are female nowadays - not male ( according to the US Census women outnumber men in college and out-graduate them, too).
Actually, it's been proven (among other things) that colleges favor girls success over boys. Girls learn better from reading and lectures whereas boys are hands-on learners (when does that ever happen in class?). And this study also showed that boys suffer more from fatherlessness as children (it's a longitudinal study that measures educational attainment by gender; women outdo men; it's a causation rather than a correlation like the previous stats from the Census). This further impedes their educational attainment and holds them back from better jobs.
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The results showed that among young people who had lived with their fathers at some point, 72.1 percent of women and 63.1 percent of men had some college education, meaning men enrolled at 87.5 percent the rate of women. Among those with no father present, the figures were 61.3 percent for women and 49.2 percent for men; the men enrolled at 80.3 percent the rate of women. In other words, a gender gap favoring women was evident in both groups, but the gap was larger among young people whose father was absent.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ess-households
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The "Good Ol' Boy Network" is very much real. Too often are we passed up for promotions to some man with lesser experience, education, and work ethic. And not just any man, but a white man. My last work environment infuriated me. I worked my ass off as a Senior Recruiter for our staffing firm and was constantly passed up for lateral movement instead. What infuriated me more was having to brief the man that received the promotion and even do mop up work when he failed miserably. It's not just being a female that's hard, but being a BLACK female. It's a double minority problem we have to cross. FACT. Most offices would collapse without the support of women doing the work that we do.
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That stinks but it's not the only way things suck based on sex. The offices I work at favor women so much  Whenever anything like heavy boxes or new equipment are brought in the men are expected to put it all together and heave it around. Like, I'm gay. I'm not doing that. Pay someone to do that don't expect me to just do it because I'm a guy. And I've seen all kinds of things where men have been passed up jobs for women that have no experience. Oftentimes to meet a quota the office wants to set for "diversity". Is that fair to you? Idk. Makes me skeptical this is an ok thing to be doing.
Basically...I just don't see how these things are really much more than just social stigma. I don't see any laws or policies that prevent women from having the same rights a man does.
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Something different than stan-type rants with zero sources? No, that's literally a perfect description of what he's been posting.  (sources that don't actually relate to the claim at hand obviously don't count) |
Yeah...ummm I don't agree. His sources have (for the most part) been exactly what he says they're suppose to be and have been valid sources not some breitbart type mess. I've saw an instance or two where they weren't quite relevant but for the most part, his sources have been informing and not stan-like or inflammatory. I've actually learned a thing or two. As the saying goes, Men lie, women lie, but numbers don't.
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Yeah...ummm I don't agree. His sources have mostly been exactly what he says they're suppose to be and mostly have been valid sources not some breitbart type mess. I've saw an instance or two where they weren't quite relevant but for the most part, his sources have been informing and not stan-like or inflammatory. I've actually learned a thing or two. As the saying goes, Men lie, women lie but numbers don't.
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BOOM.
Vote for Trump.
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Yeah...ummm I don't agree. His sources have mostly been exactly what he says they're suppose to be and mostly have been valid sources not some breitbart type mess. I've saw an instance or two where they weren't quite relevant but for the most part, his sources have been informing and not stan-like or inflammatory. I've actually learned a thing or two. As the saying goes, Men lie, women lie, but numbers don't.
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Lmfao. Like when he said "Women, since the 1970s, have reported being less happy and less overall well-being" and kindly provided a source. And then proceeded to say "MUST BE BECAUSE FEMINISM AM I RIGHT?"
Yeah, that's about as relevant as his sources have gotten. Can't fathom at all what you might have learned from this experience.
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BOOM.
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Aww thanks for the suggestion. I won't be doing that though for a number of reasons. 
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Aww thanks for the suggestion.I won't be doing that though for a number of reasons. |
I'm sure I can convince you to do the right thing.  Maybe another time.
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Lmfao. Like when he said "Women, since the 1970s, have reported being less happy and less overall well-being" and kindly provided a source. And then proceeded to say "MUST BE BECAUSE FEMINISM AM I RIGHT?"
Yeah, that's about as relevant as his sources have gotten. Can't fathom at all what you might have learned from this experience.
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No offense but I feel like you've completely ignored my post and slapped this stock response to it. I'm positive I said "mostly" in reference to source accuracy which brings up the credentials to his argument (not specifically that one but again the word "mostly" was used for that reason). And when I've said that I learned something, I meant in reference to the sources and their information. Nothing more or nothing less.
I can't help but feel you're making my post out to be more than what it actually is. I'm not endorsing ezra nor agreeing. I'm just stating his opinions are unique (compared to what's typically said in this thread/ATRL), interesting to read in totality (not cherry picked pieces), his use of sources is actually on-point and better than the random tangents people go on in here with 0 sourcing.
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y'all are still going at this? 
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Hi ezra. Im a gay, latino, male. I wear makeup in public settings and i wouldnt mind a Trump presidency. Please do remember not to generalize groups (thats a Bernie Sanders characteristic)
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I can't wait for the misogynistic assholes to lose their minds when Hillary gets elected, it's going to be so beautiful.
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Originally posted by ezra
I'm going to need a citation for that As if Western men and Western society is somehow more dangerous for women. Hilarious.
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Oh, and Retro Mischaracterizing everything I post, all the citations I post and every argument I make is not going to actually change the reality of what's going on in the world. I've actually not called anyone names in here at all yet here I am flooded with attacks (by moderators no less; check my wall, too!). All these tactics will not stop the truth or Donald Trump from winning in November. This is what the truth feels like. |
Care to debate this with the Department of Justice? DOJ released a listed of violent crimes committed in the country back in 2013. The last release before that one was back in 2008.
Race of said offenders were 42.9% white, 22.4% Black, 14.8% Hispanic, and 12.1% (Other). Other meaning Asian, Middle Eastern, etc descent.
Back in 2008:
Notice all major violent crime acts are heavily committed by whites. Yet it's black people who are severely impacted by mass incarceration.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf
AND MORE
https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/12statab/law.pdf
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Hi ezra. Im a gay, latino, male. I wear makeup in public settings and i wouldnt a Trump presidency. Please do remember not to generalize groups (thats a Bernie Sanders characteristic)
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Wait, what
Where and when have I generalized gay latinos who wear makeup in here
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Wait, what
Where and when have I generalized gay latinos who wear makeup in here |
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Care to debate this with the Department of Justice? DOJ released a listed of violent crimes committed in the country back in 2013. The last release before that one was back in 2008.
Race of said offenders were 42.9% white, 22.4% Black, 14.8% Hispanic, and 12.1% (Other). Other meaning Asian, Middle Eastern, etc descent.
Back in 2008:
Notice all major violent crime acts are heavily committed by whites. Yet it's black people who are severely impacted by mass incarceration.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf
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Are black men in the United States not Western? The story you're responding to me about is about a refugee from overseas - in Europe.
And your sources Total tangent now. So, whites (who make up 64.5% of the US population) commit more crimes by numbers than blacks (who make up 13.1% of the US population). Shocking data. You mean to tell me that there's more crimes in total from the larger population  Hm. Maybe that's to be expected. Try the real data:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ables/table-43
Very interesting once we adjust for population size.
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Ezra those are percentages based on reported crime. There is countless crime that goes unreported. so your numbers arent really relevant
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Are black men in the United States not Western? The story you're responding to me about is about a refugee from overseas - in Europe.
And your sources Total tangent now. So, whites (who make up 64.5% of the US population) commit more crimes by numbers than blacks (who make up 13.1% of the US population). Shocking data. You mean to tell me that there's more crimes in total from the larger population Hm. Maybe that's to be expected. Try the real data:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ables/table-43
Very interesting once we adjust for population size.
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MY source is the Department of Justice, not some mom-and-pop ran website, pushing theories and conspiracies. Those are cold hard facts. DATA you cannot dismiss. Does it account for the unreported? No, but I'm sure it would only add-on to what's listed already. Yes, I'm aware of the nearly 2/3 population of whites in the country. My post was in response to you UNFAIRLY demonizing an entire group of people for the actions of few. By drawing a comparison, I showed how the actions of some whites are not to be made to where we condemn the entire race, placing them into a box.
Did I ever claim black men weren't western? Anyone living in the "Western Hemisphere" falls under the label of being "western." That includes people of middle eastern descent residing here.. 
And from your own source, the rape statistics showed whites account for 67% of rapes in 2014. Of the 16,326 arrests made, 10,977 of those arrested were white
I'm going to bed. Y'all stay blessed! 
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The FBI is not a mom n pop 
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