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Yeah every writer has horrible songs in their catalog but sadly one of Taylor's worst is on its way to becoming one of her biggest hits. SMDH. She's so much better than that song leads everyone to believe.
I don't know what's wrong with America, we seem to be super lazy when it comes to discovering new music. Its the instant gratification thing. We want things fast and easy and don't care about the quality. And sadly people don't buy albums as much these days so the amazing songs that are buried as album tracks to unknown("Cold As You" I'm looking your way)
Ive block the father who must be saved from my memory. Hold onto your friends is my fav Moz song. Sadly most of my friends don't know who Moz or Ryan Adams or The Pixies (and so on) are. But they know all the lyrics to Whistle!
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I've been trying to my snobbish friends that, but WANEGBT didn't do her any favor in making them eat their words. 
Gosh. "The Father..." was so embarrassingly BAD.  And even tho not much ppl know Moz and other great acts who didn't/don't enjoy commercial success, well, at least, there will be ppl who preach about them to the ignorant and the next generations. That would be the only reason why youngsters still listen to The Velvet Underground & The Ramones, right? 
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I certainly agree it is sad that her worst song is doing so well but I don't think America is the only place with bad taste  looking at its WW success compared to her past singles truly shocks me. |
You guys, be thankful that you don't have to listen to a K-Pop song at every corner. 
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You guys, be thankful that you don't have to listen to a K-Pop song at every corner.
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I thank god everyday  disco how have you survived this long?
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I thank god everyday disco how have you survived this long? |
iPod is my answer, to K-Pop. As much as I hate iPod & digital music, it has helped me a lot to survive the days. 
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That VMA backstage video. She is so adorkable. I think she got a little too annoying at the end judging by Katy`s face. 
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I certainly agree it is sad that her worst song is doing so well but I don't think America is the only place with bad taste looking at its WW success compared to her past singles truly shocks me. |
Lol true! David Hasselhoff did have a thriving music career overseas too.
I guess that was the point. Her country sound wasn't selling WW so she hired Max Martin for an instant hit. That's disappointing in itself. I loved what you said earlier about artists not conforming to radio. I know Taylor and Scott were very about not doing that in the past, I don't know what changed. When you hear "I love it because it doesn't sound anything like her" or "this sounds like Katy, Avril, etc could have put out" it's a little disconcerting.
I hope that one day she can work with a producer who'll take the natural sound that's in her and challenge her to explore the boundaries of that sound without any regards to what Top 40 wants. Like when the Dixie Chicks worked with Rick Rubin for Taking the Long Way. It's different, but it's still them. She could do something completely different than what's on mainstream radio and sell it hard. Pull a RITD but with a country flair - something acoustic guitar driven with awesome lyrics and a catchy melody. And then she can take that to radio, dominate country and top 40, perform it all over (but she has to have her acoustic guitar with her) and cap all the haterade.
And then radio can play it to death and I wont ever want to hear it again.
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Originally posted by thediscomonkey
I've been trying to my snobbish friends that, but WANEGBT didn't do her any favor in making them eat their words.
Gosh. "The Father..." was so embarrassingly BAD. And even tho not much ppl know Moz and other great acts who didn't/don't enjoy commercial success, well, at least, there will be ppl who preach about them to the ignorant and the next generations. That would be the only reason why youngsters still listen to The Velvet Underground & The Ramones, right?
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You guys, be thankful that you don't have to listen to a K-Pop song at every corner. |
<3 Velvet Underground. I'll Be Your Mirror is one of my all time favorite songs. I was raised on everyhing but mainstream pop so my perspective is skewed.
Hey Taylor had a Ramones shirt! And she used to list Emmylou Harris, Kris Kristofferson, and Ryan Adams as her musical influences! I'm sure they still are...she just has to play the pop role for a bit. I just hope she doesn't settle for being a guilty pleasure.
And K Pop. My condolences.
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Lol true! David Hasselhoff did have a thriving music career overseas too.
I guess that was the point. Her country sound wasn't selling WW so she hired Max Martin for an instant hit. That's disappointing in itself. I loved what you said earlier about artists not conforming to radio. I know Taylor and Scott were very about not doing that in the past, I don't know what changed. When you hear "I love it because it doesn't sound anything like her" or "this sounds like Katy, Avril, etc could have put out" it's a little disconcerting.
I hope that one day she can work with a producer who'll take the natural sound that's in her and challenge her to explore the boundaries of that sound without any regards to what Top 40 wants. Like when the Dixie Chicks worked with Rick Rubin for Taking the Long Way. It's different, but it's still them. She could do something completely different than what's on mainstream radio and sell it hard. Pull a RITD but with a country flair - something acoustic guitar driven with awesome lyrics and a catchy melody. And then she can take that to radio, dominate country and top 40, perform it all over (but she has to have her acoustic guitar with her) and cap all the haterade.
And then radio can play it to death and I wont ever want to hear it again.
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What you explained is very much how I think people felt when Dolly put out Here we come again. It was a song she didn't write that was produced by one of the top pop producers of the time and was how she tried to get more popular in the U.S. as well as WW. The question for Taylor is this the only time she will do this or will she try to redo it over and over again. Seeing the music she's put out in the past and her love for indie music I think she will go the Dolly route eventually and put out some traditional music but it will be a long way down the line before she goes a full album that way. That to me is one of the few flaws of Dolly's career(releasing Here we come again) but some flaws lead to great things in the future and I have no doubt that Dolly getting more global success led to artists like Shania and Taylor to create the music they create and hopefully this flaw in Taylor's career will lead to some great things from other future artists as well.
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Originally posted by Skittles
<3 Velvet Underground. I'll Be Your Mirror is one of my all time favorite songs. I was raised on everyhing but mainstream pop so my perspective is skewed.
Hey Taylor had a Ramones shirt! And she used to list Emmylou Harris, Kris Kristofferson, and Ryan Adams as her musical influences! I'm sure they still are...she just has to play the pop role for a bit. I just hope she doesn't settle for being a guilty pleasure.
And K Pop. My condolences.
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MY FAVE FROM THAT ALBUM TOO! It used to be 2nd to "Femme Fatale", but lately I'm loving it more than FF. Btw, doesn't Nico remind you to Taylor too? Considering she was often criticized for her vocals too. 
And omg. Picture? Link?  You're not joking right? - We are hoping the same thing girl. She said the rest of the album is nothing like WANEGBT right? And that song with bass-breakdown must be one for the singles. I don't know what to expect from this album tbh. I am lost.
Thanks. But K-Pop is starting to find it's way to my playlist. I'm addicted to PSY's "Gangnam Style" & 2NE1's "I Love You". I need help. (Well, at least it's not 9 ****s song, I'm fine actually.  )
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Weird I was just reading some quotes from Dolly and thinking it applied so well to Taylor's situation.
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. “They’d say, ‘You have to have this, you have to have that, you’ve got to have two verses and a chorus.’ That’s what I was taught when I started in Nashville. But I never could get everything I wanted to say in two verses and a chorus. Some of the best songs I write just ramble on and on. They’re more like stories. So I don’t know if I really learned anything that I should’ve, but I think I wrote better and better because I lived more and more.
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I do agree. If this song is an anomaly and it opens up her music internationally then I can just ignore it later on. (and dolly doesn't really play Here We Come Again in concert). But if its a sign of what's to come then that's a different story. I wish it wasnt the first single though because on the surface it looks as if she's just thrown all that away and gone full on bubble gum pop. She'll need to throw some love to the country (or non pop) fans soon (and not just a charity single), it's getting ugly in these parts.
Didn't Brad Paisley call her the next Dolly Parton?
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Weird I was just reading some quotes from Dolly and thinking it applied so well to Taylor's situation.
I do agree. If this song is an anomaly and it opens up her music internationally then I can just ignore it later on. (and dolly doesn't really play Here We Come Again in concert). But if its a sign of what's to come then that's a different story. I wish it wasnt the first single though because on the surface it looks as if she's just thrown all that away and gone full on bubble gum pop. She'll need to throw some love to the country (or non pop) fans soon (and not just a charity single), it's getting ugly in these parts.
Didn't Brad Paisley call her the next Dolly Parton?
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It wouldn't surprise me too much if he did. brad's always seemed to be a Taylor stan.
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Ronan. Do I even have words to write about what happened today? How can I find the words to write about this tonight? It’s taken me about 10 hours to process the phone call I got this morning. It all started with a voicemail.
“Hey Maya, it’s Taylor Swift…”
“What???” I thought to myself. Taylor Swift just called my cell phone. O.k. take a few minutes and process this. I was waiting for your Mr. Sparkly Eyes, so I sat with this voicemail for about 30 minutes, until I was done visiting with him. It was only after I was getting up to leave that I said to him, “Taylor Swift left me a voicemail earlier.” I let him listen to it. “Really? You need to call her back,” he said. I calmly said, “I will do so, when I leave here. I wonder what she wants.” He chuckled and said, “You are something else. Nobody else in their right mind would be calm about something like that.” I left there smiling with not a clue as to what was to come.
I got into my car and was headed to Dr. JoRo’s office, but I decided to pull over to return Taylor’s phone call. I was expecting to talk to her mom, since she had told me on her voicemail that she was getting on a flight to New York City. To my surprise, I was patched into Taylor herself.
“Hi Maya! How are you?” she said in that sweet darling voice of hers.
“Hi Taylor! I am well, how are you?” as if she was just another one of my everyday friends.
My calmness soon turned to complete and utter frozen shock when these words came out of her mouth.
“I wrote a song for Ronan,” she said. The tears started pouring down my cheeks as soon as I heard her say those words. But her words didn’t stop there. Not only did she write a song for you, but she wanted to know if it would be alright to preform it on the nationally televised Stand Up 2 Cancer show which is on every major network and is seen in over 100 countries. She wanted to know if she could use a picture of you in the background while she sang the song. She wanted to make me co author of the song with her. She talked about how from reading this blog and following our story, has inspired her and how amazing she thinks I am and all I am doing, to bring awareness to childhood cancer. She went on and on about some other things, which I tried to understand and reply to, but I couldn’t focus on a thing besides the fact that she wrote a song, for you. That she hadn’t forgotten about your beautiful blue eyes and our love story. One so powerful that Taylor Swift decided to write a song about it. This cannot be real. But then I remembered, this was you she was talking about. Of course this is real, because you are that beautiful and that amazing and our love is that strong. I don’t even remember what I said to Taylor as had buried my head into your blanket that I take with me everywhere and all I could pretty much do was cry and tell her thank you. How do you even find the words to thank somebody for something like this? I was a blubbering mess telling her how much this meant to me as she was helping me keep your memory alive and helping me to do amazing things. How if I had to pick my dream person to be tied to your name, it would be her because she is full of so much pure goodness, just like you.
I got off the phone and I was shaking, crying, and could not even form a thought. I called your daddy. He was so quiet after I told him the news. I yelled at him in the phone, “Are you there? Why are you so quiet?” He said he was so quiet because he was crying. He couldn’t believe what had just happened.
My day was shot after that. I picked your brothers up and let them listen to the voicemail from Taylor. They were both smiling but couldn’t wait to tell me about who got hit in the face with a football at recess. I had to act like that story was half as exciting as the one I had just told them. Good thing my acting skills are becoming better. Yeah, football story… just as awesome as my Taylor Swift story. You gotta love 9 year old boys, right
I have been thinking about this all day long. I am not proud of myself very much anymore because you died and that just ruins any sort of goodness that I am able to feel most of the time. Because of the whole, I was your mama, I promised you I would get you better, and I didn’t. To me, that is still unforgivable. I know your cancer was out of my hands, Ro, but you know it destroys me that I broke my promise to you. Today, I let myself be a little proud. Do you know why? It’s because of that whole following my heart thing. When Taylor invited me to her concert last year and I had the chance to spend a little time with her, I just knew she was going to do something amazing, on her terms and her time. I had so many people trying to push me and saying, “You need to reach out to Taylor Swift. See if she can help you get X,Y, and Z done for Ronan’s Foundation. See if she will donate this or that or do this or that.” I just responded with, “No thank you. I’m not going to do that.” People looked at me as if I were crazy, but asking something of Taylor, just felt wrong. I always kept it to myself why it was that I was not going to reach out to this very generous girl, who out of the kindness of her heart, invited me to her concert, only to take to time to talk about you, with me. To me, that was enough. I was so thankful just to hear her say your name out loud. That was so much more then I could have ever asked for. I always went back to, if Taylor does something for Ronan, it will be something completely organic and natural, not because she felt pressured or forced to. Not because I asked her to. I didn’t ask, Ronan. I sat back and just let the world work in the way what I have always known it would… because it was meant to be. Because I feel the best things that happen in the world, just happen naturally, when they are supposed to and when the universe comes together. I mean, I get the news that I am pregnant only to find out about a week later, that Taylor Swift wrote a song just for you?? That is you working your magic in a way that I cannot even wrap my head around. It’s been so long since I’ve had so much good come our way that I don’t even know what to do with it all.
It’s been 5 days since I got the Taylor call. I’m having to keep this hush hush for now which I totally understand. I am still in complete and utter shock at this point. The timing of all of this is really unbelievable. How the stars and the universe are just aligning at just the right time. How everything that I knew would happen, is just falling into place, naturally. The way that I always trusted in myself and you, to make this all happen. If you had to die Ronan, and I have to live on this earth without you… you can be damn sure, I am going to make something amazing come out of it. This is by far, the most amazing thing that I could ever have imagined… times 1,000,000,0000. I could not have dreamed up any of this happening, in my head. How that girl, with the most sparkling blue eyes, that remind me so much of you… is about to finally give a face and a voice to childhood cancer that it needs so desperately. Now, people will want to pay attention. Now, maybe childhood cancer will get the awareness/funding/and attention that it deserves. Now, maybe less children will die in the future due to somebody huge, stepping up and caring. Taylor Swift, just changed the face of this disease and all I can do is sit here and sob about it. But I am sobbing in a way that I never sob anymore. Because I am so unbelievably happy, Ronan. This is all because of you and our love story. One that will live on forever and do such good things in this world. All with the help of an amazing girl who just happens to be named, Taylor Swift. She could have done this for anybody, Ronan. Anybody. But she didn’t. She did this for you and for us. Because she knows and believes in us so much, that she is giving us the biggest gift that we could have ever received. The gift of an eternal love story between a mother and a child. One that will never end. One that will keep on living forever and soon the entire world is going to know about the most beautiful little boy, who changed the lives of so many because of the love he had for the short life that he lived on this earth.
I love you to the moon and back my spicy monkey boy. Thank you for all you are doing. Thank you, Taylor for this gift you have given us. I promise to make you both proud of all the goodness that is going to come.
I miss you, Ronan. I miss you, I love you and I hope you are safe.
xoxo
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OH MY GOSH
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MY FAVE FROM THAT ALBUM TOO! It used to be 2nd to "Femme Fatale", but lately I'm loving it more than FF. Btw, doesn't Nico remind you to Taylor too? Considering she was often criticized for her vocals too.
And omg. Picture? Link? You're not joking right? - We are hoping the same thing girl. She said the rest of the album is nothing like WANEGBT right? And that song with bass-breakdown must be one for the singles. I don't know what to expect from this album tbh. I am lost.
Thanks. But K-Pop is starting to find it's way to my playlist. I'm addicted to PSY's "Gangnam Style" & 2NE1's "I Love You". I need help. (Well, at least it's not 9 ****s song, I'm fine actually. ) |
She said there were no other songs that sounded like WANEGBT but not that there werent other pop songs. And if the dubstep song was produced by Dr. Luke than it has to be a single. Just the fact that I can no longer say "Taylor doesn't need Max Martin (and maybe Dr. Luke) to have a hit" KILLS me.
I'll find the picture for you! I have it saved somewhere. It's old, from MySpace so probably 4+ years ago. Maybe circa the Rascal Flatts tour era.
And yes I can see the Nico comparison! Vocals aren't perfect but they convey so much emotion in their singing. I hope Taylor doesnt polish up her vocals too much. I love her slightly off key, shaky voice. It's part of her charm. And with so little of what I originally fell in love with on display right now it's one of the things I still have.
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Ronan  My friends lost their little girl to neuroblastoma a couple years ago.
I might not like her current musical direction but I can't deny she has a huge heart. <3 she's pretty flawless in that regards.
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She said there were no other songs that sounded like WANEGBT but not that there werent other pop songs. And if the dubstep song was produced by Dr. Luke than it has to be a single. Just the fact that I can no longer say "Taylor doesn't need Max Martin (and maybe Dr. Luke) to have a hit" KILLS me.
I'll find the picture for you! I have it saved somewhere. It's old, from MySpace so probably 4+ years ago. Maybe circa the Rascal Flatts tour era.
And yes I can see the Nico comparison! Vocals aren't perfect but they convey so much emotion in their singing. I hope Taylor doesnt polish up her vocals too much. I love her slightly off key, shaky voice. It's part of her charm. And with so little of what I originally fell in love with on display right now it's one of the things I still have.
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I'm sobbing in the corner with you.  But hey, it's her 'most diverse' album, at least there will be something for us. 
Girl, upload it asap. I need to assure myself that it's not a dream. 
It's definitely still there. I can feel it. Tbh, I feel the Taylor who we fell in love with is still there, she's just getting older, but practically the same person. The only thing that gets in the way between her & us, is this pop BS. And now that I think again, if this is what it takes to get the masses' attention, well, we can only wait until it's done. 
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Well I don't think growing up has anything to do with the things that I'm missing . I want her to grow up, and mature, and I think she showed a lot of signs that she has with Speak Now/the hunger games songs etc but don't think going more mainstream pop is growing up. She's still there under that glossy pop sheen, she hasn't changed. I have a whole list of other things that set her a part from everyone else that I loved and I don't see a lot of that these days. But I don't want to start anything on here (lol I read TC sometimes and they're like so defensive if you mention that things are different...) so I'll leave it be.
I found it I need to find a place to upload it!
Maybe we'll get a couple of songs! And maybe a bluegrass sounding song? And maybe something organic real instruments. I like it when she showcases her lyrics and doesn't drown them in production.
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True. But really, at the end of the day TayLORD still has to sell those records. Or she will be Alanis Morrisette 2.0  Oh and let it out here. This thread has no 12 yo tweens. Don't worry.  And let's not get our expectation to high. The disappointment caused by WANEGBT still hurts me a lot.
And use imageshack.
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Its a really wonderful thing that Maya and Taylor have done with their golden hearts. So much respect for them.
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Is Ronan the first song Swift produced alone, to be released on iTunes?
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