[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Zoraluv

A penis...and vagina door....

Like some people here have mentioned before, gender is a mental construct before it is a biological construct.

Also, who walks into a bathroom and see's genitalia? I'm just curious.
In a locker room she'll be getting down to her underwear. No one is getting naked.

Plenty. There are even showers in my work building (offices) that have open showers in male and female toilets.

And Gender is definitely a mental construct, but Gender based toilets have nothing to do with a mental construct. The reason they exist is due to the biological construct.

Originally posted by deadautumncrow

Actually, no. For humans, It's becoming more and more evident in the medical field that SEX is genitalia but GENDER is identity. That's why you ask for an infants SEX at birth. Gender is a different social construct. Why don't you do some research before you act like you know something, sis... T.

If cis people take one thing away from trans issues it should be this: Sex=/=Gender. Sex defines your body. Gender defines your mind. Ask your local therapist/psychologist/scientist; they'll educate you.

Gender is mental and physical. Gender based toilets are based on the physical.
EG. Bins for female hygiene items, urinals for males. Everything about toilets is based on physical gender.

And if you want me to be more specific, toilets were based on sex. UniSex toilets. I'm using Gender in the physical sense, but it seems people aren't getting the memo.

[XLR8]

Originally posted by RatedG²

You're so wrong. First sentence alone is just completely wrong.

All you say is "wrong". You have no factual basis to substantiate or validate your reasoning, yet you somehow manage to incoherently conclude that someone is wrong. It's getting old.

Originally posted by RatedG²

You have a degree in biotechnology but still lack a formal education my goodness

I've witnessed you needlessly flaunt your alleged degree just to exult your opinion over someone else's. And not only that, you've relentlessly maligned people's overall intelligence and not because of the content in their posts, but simply because their opinion differs from yours. If you're the product of collegiate education and "sound knowledge", it's understandable why most lack it

And another thing, an alleged degree (which I'm not entirely certain you possess due to your il-logic and grammar) in Molecular Biology gives you no merit in this subject matter seeing as it barely encompasses a fraction of Cytogenics, karyology, sexology, and Biomechanics. Your field is radically different Even so, the distinction of gender (based on what you've said and what I've researched) is sociological & psychological. Your degree STILL facilitates no ground what so ever So you see, you're actually the one who needs to open the books

I also find it funny how a field of that rigour would endow you the flexibility to frequent here as often as you do. Look at those posts Pestering members simply because you're displeased with what they have to say speaks volumes of your maturity. I'm quite tired of the subliminal attacks.

As it relates to right now, that kid is STILL a boy. He's yet to do anything to anatomically to mirror the phenotype of a girl. He has a penis and 90% of other things that differentiates him from a true female. And it's one of the many reasons I personally believe he shouldn't be allowed to use the female locker room. Ain't nothing wrong about that, either

And report me all you want, I'm still gonna be here

[deadautumncrow]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Gender is mental and physical. Gender based toilets are based on the physical.
EG. Bins for female hygiene items, urinals for males. Everything about toilets is based on physical gender.

And if you want me to be more specific, toilets were based on sex. UniSex toilets. I'm using Gender in the physical sense, but it seems people aren't getting the memo.

That's where you're wrong, sis. Literally go to any psychologist/gender therapist/gender studies major - Sex and Gender are completely different; two different social constructs of their own kind. SEX is what you're born with while GENDER is your mind. Which is why, in many cases, people are born with a certain sex but the wrong gender which leads to gender dysphoria = transitions so their sex matches their gender. This is why humans should be acknowledged by their preferred gender and not their sex. Labeling them as anything other than their desired gender is harmful. I honestly don't blame you for your ignorance, but we need to do a better job of teaching cis people the difference between sex and gender so a thread like this will, one day, be irrelevant.

[antoine_]

Originally posted by Sasha.

Maybe she's not comfortable with the possibility of having to share with a man

hmmmm is she?
Just do a unisex bathroom for anyone who just want to use it.They are bigger trans problems than this!

[Qwerty1234]

Originally posted by Mani.

This statement just raises my eyebrow a bit. Can we stop acting like we have barbie genitals and being a woman or a man is not a thing? While I get what you're saying, it's not as simple as you're trying to make it seem.

Originally posted by Mani.

But even just identifying as a different gender does not change the male/female counterparts you were born with. That's why the statement just seems a little unrealistic to me. I think people have a right to identify with what they want, but in a world where genders do exist, it's not that simple to say "I identify as" and have everyone comfortable with that.

As I stated above, I wouldn't give a rats ass, but everyone doesn't see it that way.

Originally posted by Ascension

It's important for people that aren't trans to consider, discuss and try to understand as much about living with trans issues as possible considering their opinions (and more importantly things like their votes/politics) are overwhelmingly going to affect the rights of trans people. To say that you have to be something in order to be concerned with it is very problematic and that way of thinking perpetuates the ignorance that causes many of the issues being discussed here.

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

I'm really sorry, but Gender in the most scientific term IS about Genitalia. It is harsh, but that is the honest truth. There is no way around that BUT

Identifying as a particular gender is fine. Lila is a she and for all intents and purposes, she is a she. But she is biologically a male. And we have Gender toilets based on the difference in biology. Lila using a female toilet is going against why Genders have their own toilets.

It is a really hard issue, and I can understand the frustration. But you need to lower the pro-trans hate, and realize that the issue remains that yes, she can identify as a female, but when it comes to genitalia, which is why toilets are separated, Lila has different genitalia, which is why other people get uncomfortable.

At the end of the day, she has a penis, and the idea of gender based toilets is not based on who you are, but what you have.

Also, buys being in girls bathrooms, is different than girls being in guys bathrooms.
If a trans male came into the school showers and stripped off showing a women body, how do you think that will go down? In high school especially?

I can understand where she comes from, but Lila seems to miss what the point of Gender based toilets are. We might as well remove the signs and make everything Unisex. If you're going to walk in to a females bathroom and see penis' we may as well remove the sign. Identifying as female, doesn't resolve the issue that you are still biologically a male.

Call me a transphobe, I don't care. I literally am in a circle of friends who are trans, and perform drag and are in that social discrimination now. But at the same time, all but one (who is the youngest) understand the reason behind Gender based toilets. It's because of a difference in genitalia.

One of my friends said it best as, they don't see a male or female sign when you walk up to a toilet door. They see a Penis and Vagina door, sad but true. And they are quite happy to see it that way. But a lot of them are still wanting Unisex toilets, something Australia lacks.

Great points, all.

[IsaiahFisher]

Originally posted by deadautumncrow

Actually, no. For humans, It's becoming more and more evident in the medical field that SEX is genitalia but GENDER is identity. That's why you ask for an infants SEX at birth. Gender is a different social construct. Why don't you do some research before you act like you know something, sis... T.

If cis people take one thing away from trans issues it should be this: Sex=/=Gender. Sex defines your body. Gender defines your mind. Ask your local therapist/psychologist/scientist; they'll educate you.

This gender thing is nonsense, what if the transgender was born in jungle with no media or western civilization influences, you'd think they still feel like they're trapped in wrong body?

Gender = sex, if you'd think otherwise, you are enemy of science and God's creation, because God doesn't make a mistake.

[versacehottie]

Originally posted by versacehottie

you tooty fruity dick in the booty ass gays are so transmisogynstic it dont make no sense yall are 2 mg of estrogen away from being one like bye

i love how i got a warning for this while the rest of you gays call us trannies and men

[deadautumncrow]

Originally posted by IsaiahFisher

This gender thing is nonsense, what if the transgender was born in jungle with no media or western civilization influences, you'd think they still feel like they're trapped in wrong body?

Gender = sex, if you'd think otherwise, you are enemy of science and God's creation, because God doesn't make a mistake.

Spoiler alert: god isn't real. Grow up, girl.

[KyIe]

Originally posted by deadautumncrow

Spoiler alert: god isn't real. Grow up, girl.

So this comment isn't inflammatory but my comments are and I get a warning? This thread is a joke. Thank god the real world isn't ATRL and people don't actually think this way.

[Vertigo Stick]

Originally posted by Bathomet

I think gender distinction has more drawbacks than benefits. Its not the same as ethnicity. Gender concepts actually evolved to legimitize the partiarchy (like woman are weak=need to be controlled by men, woman must be pretty cuz its their only way to control men etc). Ethniticity and many other social categories do not have this fuction, so IMO we need to eliminate gender differentations as much as we can and using less dangerous categories.

Wouldnt it be better to teach society that femininity is good as opposed to saying we don't need it?

[Ina Garten]

[Zoraluv]

Originally posted by Ina Garten

The webbed fingers

other than that idgi what you're trying to say

beside's those webbed fingers wtf

[Dessy Fenix]

I don't see why not. I mean all you're doing in the lockerroom is changing clothes and stuff. Like... why not?

[Zoraluv]

Originally posted by KyIe

So this comment isn't inflammatory but my comments are and I get a warning? This thread is a joke. Thank god the real world isn't ATRL and people don't actually think this way.

then report it and get over yourself

and there are a lot of people in the real world who agree with what ATRL is saying, obviously since there was a protest. But go ahead and live in your cardboard box of make believe

[Ace Reject]

Originally posted by deadautumncrow

Spoiler alert: god isn't real. Grow up, girl.

Originally posted by KyIe

So this comment isn't inflammatory but my comments are and I get a warning? This thread is a joke. Thank god the real world isn't ATRL and people don't actually think this way.

Yeah, deadautumncrow, your post was definitely the more egregious and rulebreaking of the two.

Kyle, stay on topic.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

No.

[deadautumncrow]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

Yeah, deadautumncrow, your post was definitely the more egregious and rulebreaking of the two.

Kyle, stay on topic.

So IsaiahFisher can call me an abomination to science and god yet I get warned for being atheist?
I'll quote what he said here "you are enemy of science and God's creation, because God doesn't make a mistake."

I rest my case.

[Mhs90]

if you have a penis, go to the boy's. If you have a vagina go to the girl's. I dont care what gender or sexuality you identify with.

[retromaury]

No

[GardenPanty]

okay this whole argument is simple.

If you identify as a male, you use the men's bathroom.
If you identify as a woman, you use the women's bathroom.

"Oh she has a penis, so that makes her a man!!"
GENDER =/= GENITALIA
Gender is identity. Sex is genitalia.