[QueenB]

Originally posted by JessPop

And that's the true tea. Her work that other people write for her is very cute. But going above and beyond and claiming all of these credits and things when we know how homegirl talks and others have confirmed the extent of her writing ability multiple times is just laughable.

and most have said she plays a huge part in it?
Producer of drunk in love said she wrote most of the song?
BOOTS confirming Bey would change a lot of his lyrics and played a huge role in the making of the song?
Ryan Tedder saying Beyonce was great at writing harmonies and the vocal arrangements AND the song?
NeYo saying he would leave the room and come back to find out Beyonce finished the song?

[JessPop]

Originally posted by swissman

I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with me. But the fact remains that a voice is an instrument of music. It is not a physical instrument but it can make notes and make music, thus qualifying it for songwriting.

The voice is not tangible though. Her voice is not the one sitting down supposedly writing all of these songs and then claiming songwriting credit.

[Pristine]

This thread needs to close before we all banned

[fede_ludo]

BeyoChe could neva :3

go home bey with your baby green

[PULSE.]

From "House of Hits: The Story of Houston's Gold Star/SugarHill Recording Studios":

"In addition to being impressed with Beyonce's on-the-spot skills as a lyricist and producer, Workman also was awestruck by certain aspects of her musicianship, particularly regarding timing"

[Pristine]

Originally posted by Poxy

Madonna has written all of hers with only one other person tho...

lies one tells to themselves iz kewt. and clearly nobody on ATRL has ever heard of shadow writers. She probably did write the lyrics to Holiday though kii.

[PULSE.]

Originally posted by Chimier

So according to y'all, Beyonce isn't a songwriter because:
1- She didn't write all her songs by herself or from scratch.
2- She's unfairly taking credit for work that isn't hers by coming up with new melodic ideas, lyric changes and overall arrangements integral to the structure of the songs.

Yep. Makes sense.

Yup good sense

[Sunshine.]

Originally posted by JessPop

And that's the true tea. Her work that other people write for her is very cute. But going above and beyond and claiming all of these credits and things when we know how homegirl talks and others have confirmed the extent of her writing ability multiple times is just laughable.

That's something else you should use the fact to be able to distinguish from demoed work and original work. Beyoncé obviously wrote lyrics to Independent Women, but clearly did not write lyrics to Halo. It's as simple as that. Anyway.

Beyoncé came up with the song after having an argument with her boyfriend. She went into a studio on her own and recorded vocals for the first version of this song, which promoted female independence, both financially and relationally. A team of producers - Eric Seats, Rapture Stewart, David Donaldson - put the track together using a sample from the Peabody's Improbable History theme song. This version was later used on the 2001 Destiny's Child album Survivor as "Independent Women Part II," but a radically different rendition became the hit.

Destiny's Child's label, Columbia, whose studio division was distributing the Charlie Angels film, decided that it would be a great fit for the movie, which portrayed the lead characters as tough, liberated women. They wanted the hit sound of Poke & Tone, however, so they commissioned the duo to remix the track and have the group alter the lyrics to suit the film. Instead of remixing it, Poke & Tone completely reworked the song, earning lucrative writing credits in the process. This second version of the song was released first, so it was labeled "Independent Women Part I."

Can we get into how Bey originally WROTE a 12 week #1 song or nah?

[JessPop]

Originally posted by QueenB

and most have said she plays a huge part in it?
Producer of drunk in love said she wrote most of the song?
BOOTS confirming Bey would change a lot of his lyrics and played a huge role in the making of the song?
Ryan Tedder saying Beyonce was great at writing harmonies and the vocal arrangements AND the song?
NeYo saying he would leave the room and come back to find out Beyonce finished the song?

For every one producer that has come out with something PR-friendly to say about her alleged songwriting ability there have been others that dispute those claims. The Hive can never explain away the unchanged demos that leak online that show that clearly she doesn't write her own music. We're talking about actual words, pen and paper, lyrics... the most important aspect of creating a song.

[PULSE.]

Originally posted by Sunshine.

That's something else you should use the fact to be able to distinguish from demoed work and original work. Beyoncé obviously wrote lyrics to Independent Women, but clearly did not write lyrics to Halo. It's as simple as that. Anyway.



Can we get into how Bey originally wrote a 12 week #1 song or nah?

[Summer]

Originally posted by PULSE.

From "House of Hits: The Story of Houston's Gold Star/SugarHill Recording Studios":

"In addition to being impressed with Beyonce's on-the-spot skills as a lyricist and producer, Workman also was awestruck by certain aspects of her musicianship, particularly regarding timing"

Now we posting books. mess.

[Chimier]

Originally posted by JessPop

For every one producer that has come out with something PR-friendly to say about her alleged songwriting ability there have been others that dispute those claims. The Hive can never explain away the unchanged demos that leak online that show that clearly she doesn't write her own music. We're talking about actual words, pen and paper, lyrics... the most important aspect of creating a song.

If that's the most important aspect of creating a song, then why do WORDLESS songs exist but songs without melody don't? Oh. There's that magic ATRL logic again.

[swissman]

Originally posted by JessPop

The voice is not tangible though. Her voice is not the one sitting down supposedly writing all of these songs and then claiming songwriting credit.

So what if a voice isn't tangible? It still gets the job done. Beyonce knowing how to use her voice means she would know how to write a song. The point I'm making isn't that she is doing 100% of the work, but that she knows music. I doubt though that she doesn't at least know the basics of a piano though. She's been immersed in music since she was a child.

There is an interview where Prince said he told Beyonce to learn an instrument but then was surprised to find out she knew a lot about music already.

[PULSE.]

Originally posted by Summer

Now we posting books. mess.

Posting Facts. Something you can't do. Bigger mess.

[JessPop]

Originally posted by Summer

Now we posting books. mess.

Not the gurls posting novels to prove a point now.

[PULSE.]

Originally posted by Chimier

If that's the most important aspect of creating a song, then why do WORDLESS songs exist but songs without melody don't? Oh. There's that magic ATRL logic again.

Answer this question

[Can't_M!ss_This]

I don't know why so many producers and songwriters would talk about Beyoncé's songwriting. I don't hear P!nk's collaborators do that.

It's almost like "Defend before anyone attacks"

[Summer]

Originally posted by JessPop

Not the gurls posting novels to prove a point now.

LITERALLY posting novels.

[swissman]

The bottom line is: a change in a song is a change in a song. There is no other way to put it. Maybe you feel it doesn't warrant a complete credit but did the song change, or did it not? We don't know the breakdown of writing credits for each song so let's please not begin to act like we know.

[JessPop]

Originally posted by swissman

So what if a voice isn't tangible? It still gets the job done. Beyonce knowing how to use her voice means she would know how to write a song. The point I'm making isn't that she is doing 100% of the work, but that she knows music. I doubt though that she doesn't at least know the basics of a piano though. She's been immersed in music since she was a child.

There is an interview where Prince said he told Beyonce to learn an instrument but then was surprised to find out she knew a lot about music already.

Knowing how to sing and the ability to craft a song from scratch does not go hand-in-hand. It's not mutually exclusive at all. Whitney was an amazing talent and yet she didn't write her own music nor did she pretend to do so for financial gain or to overcompensate for an area that she felt that she was lacking in. She simply let her voice talk for her. Something that Beyonce does not do.