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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by Ryan
On "Meet the Press" Sanders once again would not commit to doing his part to unify the party and encourage his supporters to rally behind Clinton if she's the nominee. He says it's the candidates job to win them over.
But he also says he'll do whatever he can to make sure Trump doesn't become president. This is my issue with him, why not answer the question? Why not say yes? If the shoe was on the other foot he would demand she fall in line and bring her supporters to him.
Yikes.
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He's right. It's not his job to make sure his supporters fall on board with Hillary. It's her job making sure her platform is more accepting to his supporters
That's one thing I don't disagree with him on. But him saying he will make sure Trump doesn't get elected isn't a good enough answer 
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Can't wait for the California primary to be over already.
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Tell me about it. This it's going to be a close primary myth is working my nerves.
Plus, I can't wait to get paid  My friend who will be working with me want to use the money to go to Universal Studios
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'Do everything to stop Trump'.
He didn't say almost anything. He said anything.
What's one of the things that falls under the scope of "everything"? Helping Hillary.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
He's right. It's not his job to make sure his supporters fall on board with Hillary. It's her job making sure her platform is more accepting to his supporters
That's one thing I don't disagree with him on. But him saying he will make sure Trump doesn't get elected isn't a good enough answer |
No it is not his job to make sure that his supporters vote for Hillary. Even if he tried, he can't just say "VOTE for Hillary or else."
But he does need to make the case that Democrats are a better option than Trump and the Republicans because he ran as a Democrat and used our party platform and leaders to his advantage. That is the biggest thanks he could give us for helping his campaign out. And by us, I mean 45% of the Democratic electorate who decided to take a chance on him. He has to continue to help them rather he wins or not.
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So glad that Johnson got the Libertarian Nomination today!
Hill and Trump stans, this man will decide the election one of THREE ways. Either he takes more votes from one or the other or magically wins himself.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
No it is not his job to make sure that his supporters vote for Hillary. Even if he tried, he can't just say "VOTE for Hillary or else."
But he does need to make the case that Democrats are a better option than Trump and the Republicans because he ran as a Democrat and used our party platform and leaders to his advantage. That is the biggest thanks he could give us for helping his campaign out. And by us, I mean that 45% Democratic electorate who decided to take a chance of him. He has to continue to help them rather he wins or not.
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It's true, you can't force someone to vote for something. I can already see a small sea of his stans dropping him like a hot potato if he endorsed Hillary. "Traitor" "WHY Bernie" etc.
He should still help in regards to saying I couldn't go, but we have another Democrat in the race and unless you want a Supreme Court overturning liberal victories then we must stand by her if we want to avoid a Trump Presidency.
A lot of people think it's just the President's seat at stake, I've had to tell them US Chambers are at play too and the Supreme Court.
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Originally posted by Mitch.
People are doing way too much with this 'Trump is GOinG 2 WIN - w8 and SEE!'.
Like you aren't being clever, you aren't being edgy and you aren't being 'just realistic'.
It is still going to be extremely difficult for him to flip the required states when you factor in the demographics.
Yelling things like 'marketing genius', 'he PrOVED them wrong!!1!' and 'Hillary's TANKING!!' doesn't change that.
People getting all excited over a few polls in May before Hillary becomes the nominee is just embarrassing.
Keep those 12 followers of yours on twitter informed though with your 'astute' analysis I guess!!
Barring an indictment or another major scandal of that size, Hillary will probably win the required 270 in November, but we will wait and see...
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But sis, Trump and Hillary are even in polls and Gary Johnson is such a wildcard with 10-11% of the vote right now.
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Originally posted by Auris
So glad that Johnson got the Libertarian Nomination today!
Hill and Trump stans, this man will decide the election one of THREE ways. Either he takes more votes from one or the other or magically wins himself.
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Hopefully he takes disenchanted GOP who want something economic like Johnson, but hate Trump's big mouth
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Hopefully he takes disenchanted GOP who want something economic like Johnson, but hate Trump's big mouth |
He's taking more from Clinton than Trump as of right now (by a 3-to-2 ratio) but that can change, Stein and Johnson are absolute wild cards right now and will be a factor this election.
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Trump just claimed there are 600,000 people trying to get in today. That would be equal to the entire population of DC. Not true.
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Originally posted by Auris
But sis, Trump and Hillary are even in polls and Gary Johnson is such a wildcard with 10-11% of the vote right now.
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Do I have to dispel this "even" myth on a daily basis?
They are not even.
Furthermore, Johnson was most recently 4 percent in a poll that included him.
Johnson will not reach the threshold to be in national debates and therefore will not do exceedingly well in the general, and in any case will end up taking more from Trump given that Sanders voters will come around to Hillary (history proves this).
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Do I have to dispel this "even" myth on a daily basis?
They are not even.
Furthermore, Johnson was most recently 4 percent in a poll that included him.
Johnson will not reach the threshold to be in national debates and therefore will not do exceedingly well in the general, and in any case will end up taking more from Trump given that Sanders voters will come around to Hillary (history proves this). |
That PPP poll is from two weeks ago There have been two nationwide polls since then with Johnson in them, each of which put Johnson at 10%. One of which has Clinton ahead and the other has Trump ahead.
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Originally posted by Ryan
But it is his job to do whatever he can to encourage party unity, and that means urging them that Hillary Clinton is the candidate to back over Trump. This is how it's done.
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That is not his job. The loser does not have to do anything to help with party unity, especially someone who is an historical independent (with democratic values) just because he doesn't care for political parties and their unity.
Hillary won (as she should have). It is her job to make sure those voters know she's a better candidate than Trump. Sanders, morally, should help with that but it's not his job and if she loses the election because his supporters refused to vote for her that's not his responsibility either.
Can't believe I'm sticking up for Bernie 
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Originally posted by King Maxx
No it is not his job to make sure that his supporters vote for Hillary. Even if he tried, he can't just say "VOTE for Hillary or else."
But he does need to make the case that Democrats are a better option than Trump and the Republicans because he ran as a Democrat and used our party platform and leaders to his advantage. That is the biggest thanks he could give us for helping his campaign out. And by us, I mean 45% of the Democratic electorate who decided to take a chance on him. He has to continue to help them rather he wins or not.
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He always had democratic values so he was a democrat in everything but name regardless. He has said he would do everything he could to prevent a President Trump but if his ideas are anti establishment politics and Hillary is still taking money from Wall Street donors, still using super PACs, still isn't budging on some other progressive positions, etc than he has no obligation to help her out by encouraging his supporters to vote for her. They voted for him because they supported those positions. Why would he throw all of that away and tell them to vote for her if she hasn't promised or did anything to change that?
It's up to Hillary to be more inclusive if she wants to make sure she has those voters
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Trump + HRC are statistically tied in the RCP polling avg. Its not a myth
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Hillary should just adopt half his platform anyway (not like she has any of her own).
The free college tuition part, esp should've gotten way more airtime than the stupid Wall Street hateration
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Originally posted by Auris
That PPP poll is from two weeks ago There have been two nationwide polls since then with Johnson in them, each of which put Johnson at 10%. One of which has Clinton ahead and the other has Trump ahead. |
I can't find the second one but I found a Fox News one, which I'm going to respectfully decline to consider given their bias being evident in their polling history.
But I find Johnson's regressive tax policy, militant anti-welfare stance, advocacy for guns, opposition to the Affordable Care Act, insufficient support for a woman's choice, opposition to net neutrality, and opposition to stem cell research to be abominable and ignorant or misinformed - so I wholeheartedly welcome him the opportunity to draw voters away from Trump once the Sanders supporters who shift to him in general polls come to their senses and see that he stands against the core principles of Sanders' campaign.
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I don't think Gary is a threat. Donald and Hillary are both unfavorable, so both will bring out a record turnout to stop the other! Watch. People get it wrong when they say that helps a third candidate. The country knows the stakes at play.
Gary and his 1% (if 2012 is to go by) won't hurt anybody.
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Trump + HRC are statistically tied in the RCP polling avg. Its not a myth |
Are you just willfully ignorant of everything I've said in here about that?
RCP has not accounted for all polls released during the period in which they show a "statistical tie." HuffPost has, and I have linked to them countless times. With all due respect, I would appreciate if you used the most up-to-date information.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I don't think Gary is a threat. Donald and Hillary are both unfavorable, so both will bring out a record turnout to stop the other! Watch. People get it wrong when it says they will go for a third candidate. The country knows the stakes at play.
Gary and his 1% (if 2012 is to go by) won't hurt anybody.
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True, it does seem that if history is anything to go by, no third party candidate will break 5 percent in the actual popular vote when all is said and done. I mean, Gary is no Ross Perot, that's for sure. And Nader for all the attention he got was unable to break 3 percent.
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I do wonder what Hillary is suppose to do policy wise to bring in the far left.
If people are expecting her to say free college, abolish the death penalty, etc., then they are wishfully thinking. So she'll be gaining (maybe because that reinforces the flip-flop argument) supporters, but alienating the ones who 1)voted for her 2)did not, but is slowly moving to the center-left thanks to the Republicans/Trump's failures.
EDIT: I think Hillary has a opportunity when she gets the nomination to say "Okay super delegates has to go, and caucuses, and closed primaries." It'll help with the establishment/elite argument against her which is actually what Sanders' supporters hate the most. Not that she wants $12 instead of $15 for example.
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