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TV Show: Big Brother 17 | Post Season Discussion
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PS - well well well. Surprise surprise. Zach Rance's old fraternity is accused of peeing on veterans. Can't say I'm surprised considering his antics in and out of the house
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BB1 is underrated and flawless. Where else would you see a true marriage crumble on live TV?
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At least BB16 was a season you could watch until the end and had a deserving winner. BB15 became trash as soon as Elissa and Amanda were gone. Trying to make it through those last episodes with just Spencer, McCrae, GinaMarie, and Andy to root for was legit torture. Not a single deserving winner and all of them were kinda trash 
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Originally posted by KLatz
At least BB16 was a season you could watch until the end and had a deserving winner. BB15 became trash as soon as Elissa and Amanda were gone. Trying to make it through those last episodes with just Spencer, McCrae, GinaMarie, and Andy to root for was legit torture. Not a single deserving winner and all of them were kinda trash |
I'm sorry, I HATED Andy a lot, but he deserved his win because his social game was really great, and he backstabbed at the right times and got away with it too.
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Originally posted by KLatz
At least BB16 was a season you could watch until the end and had a deserving winner. BB15 became trash as soon as Elissa and Amanda were gone. Trying to make it through those last episodes with just Spencer, McCrae, GinaMarie, and Andy to root for was legit torture. Not a single deserving winner and all of them were kinda trash |
What about BB16 could you stand until the end?
The predictability was awful that season and one alliance kept swiping the others. I legitimately do not remember a single eviction that season that came off as a surprise. With BB15, you had power struggles week in and week out, so it was interesting. Elissa's eviction alone >>>>>>> BB16
And yes, Andy was a RAT but he deserved to win.
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The only person in BB16 who could have been iconic was Brittany.
Big Brother 16 needs to be forgotten and ignored just like BB1 and 9 are. |
BB9 was just as bad as 15.
15 needs to be forgotten because of its bigotry.
I know you guys are going on about gameplay, but not one really was really playing that great of a game, despite willingness to make moves.
And who cares about predictable? BB6 was a great season, but it was predictable as well.
I'm not saying BB16 is the best, but the fact that you could feel good about the winner and there were more likeable people made it a better overall season.
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But BB16 was disgusting too.
Frankie said Jocasta should kill herself, that being lesbian is a choice, that they should rape Victoria and take her virginity, that Devon's skin was like a dirty pool, Caleb was obsessively stalking Amber around the house, Zach went into great detail about how he abuses his little brother, etc...
Sure, it's no Aaryn/VaGinaMarie, but BB is a social experiment too. People are bound to show their true colors and that's what makes it intriguing. To ignore the greatness that was BB15 just because of the bigotry is silly, seeing the great irony of BB15 crowning the show's first ever gay winner.
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What exactly was great about BB15 other than Elissa? The whole season except for the first few weeks was predictable as hell and the houseguests were all terrible people on top of that. It's kind of like this season of Survivor that's airing right now actually.
The whole season was basically just a game of who the house would bully next. After Amanda was evicted(too late into the game to make a difference) the game got even more boring. I honestly didn't think Big Brother could get more boring until BB16 happened.
Big Brother 15 = Big Brother 16. They're both terrible and have made me start to lose interest in the series tbh.
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Also, I'm pretty sure the people who love BB15 are just forgetting what the feeds were like that season.
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Originally posted by rl231
I'm sorry, I HATED Andy a lot, but he deserved his win because his social game was really great, and he backstabbed at the right times and got away with it too.
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Yeah, but unlike Derrick, he never really made any power moves in the game except deciding to side with Amanda/McCrae over Elissa/Helen at a crucial point in the game. I'll give him props for that. He could've been disposed of at any time I believe as he didn't really have any control in the house and was kinda bad at competitions until the final 4 when all of the biggest competitors were gone.
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Originally posted by HEIDI
What about BB16 could you stand until the end?
The predictability was awful that season and one alliance kept swiping the others. I legitimately do not remember a single eviction that season that came off as a surprise. With BB15, you had power struggles week in and week out, so it was interesting. Elissa's eviction alone >>>>>>> BB16
And yes, Andy was a RAT but he deserved to win. |
The predictability was a huge buzzkill on BB16, but I'd rather watch an intelligent game player make it to the end than all the season's floaters cruising into the final 4. And Andy was a non-event until pretty much every other deserving player was gone and we were left with trash and him. Not people coming to defend Andy now too when he was dragged left, right, and center in the BB15 and BB16 threads for lackluster gameplay 
I'll give you the fact that Elissa's eviction (and existance tbh) was greater than BB16 in general tho 
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Originally posted by HEIDI
But BB16 was disgusting too.
Frankie said Jocasta should kill herself, that being lesbian is a choice, that they should rape Victoria and take her virginity, that Devon's skin was like a dirty pool, Caleb was obsessively stalking Amber around the house, Zach went into great detail about how he abuses his little brother, etc...
Sure, it's no Aaryn/VaGinaMarie, but BB is a social experiment too. People are bound to show their true colors and that's what makes it intriguing. To ignore the greatness that was BB15 just because of the bigotry is silly, seeing the great irony of BB15 crowning the show's first ever gay winner.
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Tell them!
BB15 was plagued by the "vote with the house" thing and game wise got very interesting only for 2-3 weeks during Elissa's and Gina Marie's HoHs... but it has so many iconic fights and moments:
- the bed flipping incident
- the wine incident and the aaryn/amanda fight weeks later
- the elissa/aaryn house meeting
- the mvp mess in the first weeks
- the jessie meltdown
- amanda's meltdown
- elissa's shade towards 90% of the others
- gina marie/amanda fight
etc.
Some of these were very uncomfortable and I stopped watching after Elissa was evicted because i was too devastated but these crazy moments cannot be denied
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BB15 > BB16, but they both sucked for different but obvious reasons
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Originally posted by KLatz
Yeah, but unlike Derrick, he never really made any power moves in the game except deciding to side with Amanda/McCrae over Elissa/Helen at a crucial point in the game. I'll give him props for that. He could've been disposed of at any time I believe as he didn't really have any control in the house and was kinda bad at competitions until the final 4 when all of the biggest competitors were gone.
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I can't believe I'm defending Andy but framing Elissa for evicting Amanda is now not a power move?
That move and Brittany convincing Devin to veto her when he was the one that put her up > "power moves" that Derrick made. Derrick ran that season, don't get me wrong, but I can't name an actual move move that he made.
Pig was the most boring mastermind in the history of Big Brother. No showmanship, constantly lied in the DR to try and fool America, and just boring as ****
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BB15 > BB16. They both kinda sucked though.
Derrick > Andy tho.
My BB16 fave (Nicole) > My BB15 fave (Helen)
At least BB15 had some good ****ing TV with Elissa, Amanda, GinaMarie, and Jessie. BB16 was boring and predictable. The only interesting things were Nicole coming back into the house and the Amanda Grande incident.
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BB15 > BB16
the beginning and end of BB15 (it ends when elissa is evicted the rest is fake) is so iconic, the two blindsides in a row in weeks 1 and 2 and the flawless jeremy backdoor  it had so much potential 
and elissa/candice/helen > any bb16 HGs
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just think if in BB15 if mccrae nominated andy and ginamarie in that double eviction after amanda left and andy went home
the exterminators would have targeted mccrae for taking out andy and elissa would have cruised to F2
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Originally posted by Rated R
I can't believe I'm defending Andy but framing Elissa for evicting Amanda is now not a power move?
That move and Brittany convincing Devin to veto her when he was the one that put her up > "power moves" that Derrick made. Derrick ran that season, don't get me wrong, but I can't name an actual move move that he made.
Pig was the most boring mastermind in the history of Big Brother. No showmanship, constantly lied in the DR to try and fool America, and just boring as **** |
That may have been a nice nudge to help get Elissa out a week or so sooner, but it was always an uphill battle for Elissa that season. Regardless of the fact that Andy convinced everyone Elissa was responsible for Amanda's eviction, she would've been out the moment she didn't win a HOH or veto. Judd was kinda her only hope to survive through the rest of the game, but even he was too blindsided to see he was on the outs with everyone else as well.
And Derrick pretty much made all the moves post-Brittany's eviction (which he was partly responsible for) because he had everyone's trust and was able to mist like a motha****a. Sure, he was a bit boring and was unlikeable at times, but anytime someone was starting to get onto his game, it was too late for them (i.e. Brittany, Jocasta, Nicole). Even Frankie and Donny would've been out sooner had it not been for the Team America alliance. Plus, he pretty much made it to the end without being nominated based on his social game alone. That's impressive in my opinion, and why Derrick will probably always be above Andy in terms of being a BB gameplayer in my book
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I'm so excited, the show never fails. Do we know if its a new class or returning cast mates?
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I'm so excited, the show never fails. Do we know if its a new class or returning cast mates?
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Signs are pointing towards at least some new people? It's doubtful that it's All Stars 2 at this point I think but who really knows at this point.
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Did anyone else see that pic of Andy sucking someone off going around on Twitter? 
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Signs are pointing towards at least some new people? It's doubtful that it's All Stars 2 at this point I think but who really knows at this point.
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Did anyone else see that pic of Andy sucking someone off going around on Twitter? |
No and I hope I never do 
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