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Music News: Interscope pulls the plug on "Marry the Night"
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Originally posted by Wilkes
Interestingly, Bowie was never really that successful. The sheer volume of his discography meant he sold a lot but he only had two #1 American Hits (Fame & Let's Dance), six #1 UK Hits (Space Oddity (after a reissue), Ashes to Ashes, Under Pressure (although this was Queen's song), Let's Dance, Dancing In The Street and Heroes (this was the X Factor finalist performance but he is credited)) and his biggest selling album was Let's Dance which shifted only 8 million copies.
It's only with hindsight that has he become the force we realize he has been. As we look back we realize how much he had affected the music-scape. His music was always really good but it was never appreciated as much as we appreciate it now. What helped is that we remembered his character, his avant-garde and his wierdness and that is what kept him moving forward.
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You fail to understand we're not in the 70's or 80's anymore when music and ideas about it were far more diverse.
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Rihanna's Rated R flopped considerably, especially in comparison to the massive album before. Rihanna returned with Loud, which ended up being very successful. So please stop with that.
Katy Perry flopped with Thinking of You, right after the massive Hot N Cold, and came back with Waking Up in Vegas only to return with the even bigger California Girls.
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You can't be serious with those examples
Neither Rihanna and Katy went all preachy on us with their singles.
Rihanna's album wasn't as commercial as her previous albums, but only in sound, it didn't have the religious lyrics and ****, yet it had Rude Boy.
And are you seriously using the "flop ballad, hit uptempo" as an example of "second chance to popstars"?
A mess.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Didn't you already post this?
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I was about to post the same thing
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
People are not keen on giving popstars a second chance is the biggest lie ever told.
Rihanna's Rated R flopped considerably, especially in comparison to the massive album before. Rihanna returned with Loud, which ended up being very successful. So please stop with that.
Katy Perry flopped with Thinking of You, right after the massive Hot N Cold, and came back with Waking Up in Vegas only to return with the even bigger California Girls.
I know they aren't pop artists, but No Doubt had a commercial failure after their biggest album to date - yet returned after the flop album with top 10 singles and a multi-platinum album.
I am not surprised that none of you know what you are talking about, I am surprised people are actually agreeing.
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Well, Monroe is a Britney stan and Britney hasn't really been given a true second chance. So in that regard she's right.
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Originally posted by Loghen
You can't be serious with those examples
Neither Rihanna and Katy went all preachy on us with their singles.
Rihanna's album wans't as commercial as her previous albums, but only in sound, it didn't have the religious lyrics and ****.
And are you seriously using the "flop ballad, hit uptempo" as an example of "second chance to popstars"?
A mess.
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Loghen, what does this have to do with anything? Please re-read my post and I'll think about replying to you.
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Member Since: 11/10/2009
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
Exactly, many were convinced this was the most radio friendly song (myself included) -- but the fact is that it's a flop. Like Deemy said, this isn't pulling the plug -- it's waving the white flag. The song is dead and gone.
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I was looking forward to a leaked sextape with the remix, "Insert my Dick," playing in the background.
"I'm gonna Insert my Dick; you're not gonna cry anymore."
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Rihanna's Rated R flopped considerably, especially in comparison to the massive album before. Rihanna returned with Loud, which ended up being very successful. So please stop with that.
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Rated R had at least two hits from it though and sold well for the climate it was released then. The only real flop to come from that era was Russian Roulette and after Rihanna made that mistake she came back with sexy, Top 40 songs about how great her body was and how she liked having rough sex.
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Katy Perry flopped with Thinking of You, right after the massive Hot N Cold, and came back with Waking Up in Vegas only to return with the even bigger California Girls.
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That was one underperforming single that was easily rectified because Katy released another happy, Top 40 pop song about partying in Sin City.
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I know they aren't pop artists, but No Doubt had a commercial failure after their biggest album to date - yet returned after the flop album with top 10 singles and a multi-platinum album.
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Rock artists apply to a different standard then Top 40 acts.
Bottom line neither Katy or Rihanna really "flopped" during there OOTB's or Rated R era's and they easily rectified their problems quickly by rush releasing songs that were viable to the radio climate.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
People are not keen on giving popstars a second chance is the biggest lie ever told.
Rihanna's Rated R flopped considerably, especially in comparison to the massive album before. Rihanna returned with Loud, which ended up being very successful. So please stop with that.
Katy Perry flopped with Thinking of You, right after the massive Hot N Cold, and came back with Waking Up in Vegas only to return with the even bigger California Girls.
I know they aren't pop artists, but No Doubt had a commercial failure after their biggest album to date - yet returned after the flop album with top 10 singles and a multi-platinum album.
I am not surprised that none of you know what you are talking about, I am surprised people are actually agreeing.
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I was going era to era.
Say for instance, "Rude Boy" saved the Rated R before it was too late.
"Waking Up In Vegas" was released right after "Thinking About You."
And GaGa even did it sort of with "Judas" to "The Edge of Glory."
They all had to immediately release catchy songs after their duds. They didn't wait too long or til next era. They already had something on standby.
Of course there are plenty of examples where pop radio gave artists another chance, but there are plenty of examples where they didn't. Usually, the artist has to release the most generic song or have a rapper attached to get big airplay.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by BTrisc
No one paid attention the first time.
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And he's preaching about massive flops? Ironic.
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Member Since: 12/15/2009
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Originally posted by Monroe
Wrong.
Wrong.
This. I don't think people are aware of how much TF(M)'s momentum has worked for her during the BTW era. So much of this era has been because people were anticipating The Fame Gaga and people were disappointed when they didn't get her, and she will bear the consequences for those actions with her next release/outing. People aren't very keen on giving second chances to pop artists.
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She wont flop her next release esp since already been confirmed that shes making music that is more for everyone. She just needs to lighten up her personality a bit and the public will open up. She seemed very happy and upbeat during her NYE performance so its a step in the right direction.
Riri went all dark and weird for Rated R and she was given a second chance cause Loud did VERY well. Plus, Rated R did miles worse than Born This Way.
Shes still a media and show favorite. She is chosen to headline or open every show shes been on, and shes even dropped the damn ball on New Years. Shes also performed for our current president and former one. All this on her flop year.
Her cultural impact alone is enough to help her make a full recovery during her next era.
She'll be fine.
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
I don't know who Peter Seeger is and no one will know who GaGa is if she keeps doing the same thing as him.
No one gives two ****s what GaGa thinks about immigration, religion and the government - you're a pop star bitch, not my ****ing pastor.
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And that's sad, you know why? The same ****ing people back in The Fame era was complaining that she wasn't ''deep'' enough and only sang about parties.
NOW YOUR ****ING POPSTAR HAS TURNED INTO A WOMAN OF WORDS, AND YOU DESPISE HER?
I definitely wan't to listen to the next album that supposedly talks about the decay of the popstar. And I want the cover of that album to be all of your faces burning, flop fans.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
+1 I'm so tired of this era.
I need new music similar to TFM era.
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Yeah, but I don't want her music to sound EXACTLY
like the music from TFM. It's all about evolving as an artist, and not taking a step back.
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Member Since: 5/15/2010
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
People are not keen on giving popstars a second chance is the biggest lie ever told.
Rihanna's Rated R flopped considerably, especially in comparison to the massive album before. Rihanna returned with Loud, which ended up being very successful. So please stop with that.
Katy Perry flopped with Thinking of You, right after the massive Hot N Cold, and came back with Waking Up in Vegas only to return with the even bigger California Girls.
I am not surprised that none of you know what you are talking about, I am surprised people are actually agreeing.
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Rated R didn't flop, it sold 3 million WW.
"Thinking Of You" has sold almost 1 million despite peaking only at #29, it's more like underperforming.
But yeah, it's not true people don't give second chances.
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Originally posted by Monroe
Rock artists apply to a different standard then Top 40 acts.
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No they don't
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While we're here, Lady GaGa really needs to work on some new hooks too:
Dance-Dance-Dance-Ja-Ja-Ja-Just Dance
Pa-Pa-Pa-Poker Face
Papa-Paparazzi
Ale-alejandro-ale-ale-jandro
ra-ra-ra-ah-ah-aoma-roma-ma-ma-gaga-ooh-la la
Judas-juda-a-a-judas-juda-a-a
The edge-the edge-the edge
Ma-ma-ma-marry
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by Nii.
Well, let me reword this.
Gaga helped the dance craze, and that very dance craze is the thing Gaga does best.
It is what brought her to the top of her game. It worked for others, like Queen Ke$ha, Rih, and Brit.
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I don't think Gaga helped the dance craze at all. The dance craze started in 2003 and got gradually more and more popular. In 2006, 4 electropop or dance-pop songs got to #1 on the Hot 100, and it just continued to get more and more popular after that. Poker Face came out in 2009, and was very late on the scene tbh.
The truth is, there were like 100 big dance chart hits in 2009. If Lady Gaga didn't exist, there would've been 95. So I don't think she helped the dance craze. Not any moreso than, say, Taio Cruz has.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Of course there are plenty of examples where pop radio gave artists another chance, but there are plenty of examples where they didn't. Usually, the artist has to release the most generic song or have a rapper attached to get big airplay.
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This was pretty much my point.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
I was going thinking era to era.
Say for instance, "Rude Boy" saved the Rated R before it was too late.
"Waking Up In Vegas" was released right after "Thinking About You."
And GaGa even did it sort of with with "Judas" to "The Edge of Glory."
They all had to immediately release catchy songs after their duds.
Of course there are plenty of examples where pop radio gave artists another chance, but there are plenty of examples where they didn't. Usually, the artist has to release the most generic song or have a rapper attached to get big airplay.
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Yes, but Gaga has not flopped tremendously. She did not pull a Bionic, so her "getting another chance" is more than likely...
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Originally posted by Beatz
You fail to understand we're not in the 70's or 80's anymore when music and ideas about it were far more diverse.
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That's a ridiculously pretentious thing to say. Just look at the diversity, Radiohead, Bon Iver, James Blake, PJ Harvey, Gaga, Beyonce....
You can't say music or ideas arn't diverse. PJ Harvey's LES is a perfect example of an album that has those ideas in it.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Didn't you already post this?
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I failed to quote Amaru. so I had to erase that post?
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