|
Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
Member Since: 9/1/2013
Posts: 13,357
|
Quote:
Originally posted by CONRAD
Beyonce is at a higher level and she is more global than Madonna, especially in the main markets of continental Europe such as Germany, France , Italy and Spain... Beyonce has many more hits.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 2,457
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
Don't bother asking for receipts. There's an unwritten hierarchy of the GOAT women here on atrl. At the bottom of the food chain is Janet who is local, then Mariah is the second most local - despite both acts besting their stateside record sales worldwide and have hits and sold out tours around the globe. Then there's Whitney, who is considered global because of The Bodyguard being the top selling female album/soundtrack of all time. There's a level of leniency given to her because she's no longer with us. Then Madonna tops the food chain. She's there, to these kids, simply because she's outsold the others and they scream "impact!", yet couldn't explain how her art helped shape and progress the landscape of music. Same goes for the other three aforementioned women.
In essence, album sales are the crux of argument(s). Why else do you think you're seeing posts like "She's already surpassed Janet/Mariah"? They're not saying she's not above Whitney simply because Whitney is no longer with us, and Madonna is considered the messiah to these simple kids.
|
And don't forget that, especially on here, white female singers are automatically placed higher than singers of color by default without white supremacy being factored into why their career may be bigger, sold more, than a black person's and what they may have stolen/borrowed/taken from a black person.
Hell by ATRL logic Britney Spears is more impactful/influential than The Supremes, James Brown, and Marvin Gaye combined.
OT: The fact that Beyonce has achieved what she's achieved as a black woman should be even more of a reason to respect her and her legacy.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 9,846
|
No
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 4,235
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
Don't bother asking for receipts. There's an unwritten hierarchy of the GOAT women here on atrl. At the bottom of the food chain is Janet who is local, then Mariah is the second most local - despite both acts besting their stateside record sales worldwide and have hits and sold out tours around the globe. Then there's Whitney, who is considered global because of The Bodyguard being the top selling female album/soundtrack of all time. There's a level of leniency given to her because she's no longer with us. Then Madonna tops the food chain. She's there, to these kids, simply because she's outsold the others and they scream "impact!", yet couldn't explain how her art helped shape and progress the landscape of music. Same goes for the other three aforementioned women.
In essence, album sales are the crux of argument(s). Why else do you think you're seeing posts like "She's already surpassed Janet/Mariah"? They're not saying she's not above Whitney simply because Whitney is no longer with us, and Madonna is considered the messiah to these simple kids.
|
This intelligent is sexy
|
|
|
ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 22,001
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/9/2010
Posts: 42,506
|
Quote:
Originally posted by CONRAD
Beyonce is at a higher level and she is more global than Madonna, especially in the main markets of continental Europe such as Germany, France , Italy and Spain... Beyonce has many more hits.
|
bye
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 12,538
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Aqim
This intelligent is sexy
|
Init.
_
OT: Yes.
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/16/2008
Posts: 3,114
|
They are from different generations so it's hard to compare.
- Madonna: very long career, many successful albums, singles, tours. But she's not very respected by the GP because she's not a very good singer.
- Whitney: she has The Bodyguard, one of the best selling album of all time and I Will Always Love You, a classic which will be remembered forever. She's also the best vocalist of all time, has has many awards. But beside The Bodyguard, her other eras seem forgotten.
- Mariah: Really high peak in 90s, with many #1 singles and successful albums. She has AIWFCIY, which is a classic. She's also a great vocalist. But she's not every respected by the GP and she's kinda local.
- Janet: IMO she's not in the same level as the other ladies. She is very local and not a good singer.
- Beyonce: she will have a very long career, at least 30 years I guess. She is extremely respected by the GP and by her peers. She's clearly the best vocalist from her generation, no one comes close. She has classics too ( Crazy in Love, Halo, Singles Ladies) and many many awards. Although she doesn't have a very high peak but she's very consistent.
I think Beyonce is now in between Janet and the others ( Madona, Whitney and Mariah)
1. Madona
2. Whitney
3. Mariah
4. Beyonce
5. Janet
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 5,843
|
Quote:
Originally posted by pieuxvu
They are from different generations so it's hard to compare.
- Madonna: very long career, many successful albums, singles, tours. But she's not very respected by the GP because she's not a very good singer.
- Whitney: she has The Bodyguard, one of the best selling album of all time and I Will Always Love You, a classic which will be remembered forever. She's also the best vocalist of all time, has has many awards. But beside The Bodyguard, her other era seems forgotten.
- Mariah: Really high peak in 90s, with many #1 singles and successful albums. She has AIWFCIY, which is a classic. She's also a great vocalist. But she's not every respected by the GP and she's kinda local.
- Janet: IMO she's not in the same level as the other ladies. She is very local and not a good singer.
- Beyonce: she will have a very long career, at least 30 years I guess. She is extremely respected by the GP and by her peers. She's clearly the best vocalist from her generation, no one comes close. She has classics too ( Crazy in Love, Halo, Singles Ladies) and many many awards. Although she doesn't have a very high peak but she's very consistent.
I think Beyonce is now in between Janet and the others ( Madona, Whitney and Mariah)
1. Madona
2. Whitney
3. Mariah
4. Beyonce
5. Janet
|
Although, Mariah is very respected by the GP, idk where you got that one from.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 12,539
|
If she ever releases VERY WW loved album again like I Am Sasha Fierce, she'd get bigger than Madonna.
I say this cause I know she'll dominate from now on the tour department between the pop girls forever. She's the biggest in Europe and USA. If she releases something that make Latin A merica and Asia go crazy, she'd be the biggest icon of this generation.
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/16/2008
Posts: 3,114
|
Quote:
Originally posted by AxelFox
Although, Mariah is very respected by the GP, idk where you got that one from.
|
I think she lost it because of her attitude. She's too sexy for her age and shady and she even had a fight with Nicki.
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 7,499
|
she's definitely above Mariah and janet in almost every way
she's more adored and respected than Madonna and living and breathing unlike whitney. nu queen of music
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/27/2016
Posts: 1,356
|
Quote:
Originally posted by IronFist1994
No, she's not. Let's not exaggerate, please!
|
.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 24,694
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 5,580
|
Quote:
Originally posted by DanceAgain
JLo is in the same boat as Beyonce there Both iconic stars and both will be remembered but will there craft.... not sure will there impact definitely
Anyways this ain't bout JLo
There's no reason Beyonce won't be a legend but now she's not
|
Jennifer Lopez isn't in any boat with a 20 X Grammy winner. She doesn't even have a Latin Grammy to her name. Her last 3 albums haven't went platinum COMBINED. She's in Vegas while bey is selling out stadiums. They are nothing alike and Jennifer has never been on her level. DC outsold her and had waaaay more impact and so does bey.
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/5/2014
Posts: 5,399
|
Quote:
Originally posted by ElectricFrancis
If she ever releases VERY WW loved album again like I Am Sasha Fierce, she'd get bigger than Madonna.
|
Sis she'll need may be 3 more IASF eras to even come close to the success of Madonna
I mean
Destiny's Child
Crazy In Love
Irreplaceable
ISAF
Self-Titled
Lemonade/Formation Tour
vs
Like A Virgin
Crazy For You/Into The Groove
True Blue
Like A Prayer
Immaculate Collection
Vogue/Blond Ambition
Ray Of Light
Music
COADF/CT
S&S/MDNAT
Don't you guys realize how ridiculous you are sounding?
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/6/2014
Posts: 13,604
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/6/2014
Posts: 2,264
|
madonna is the one to be compared with so byee
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 1,141
|
Quote:
Originally posted by bijonse
she's definitely above Mariah and janet in almost every way
she's more adored and respected than Madonna and living and breathing unlike whitney. nu queen of music
|
Not above Mariah hunty.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 5,580
|
Def above Mariah. Mariah hasn't had global appeal since the 90s.
And her entire TEOM era was based on Bey's image / art and likeness.
Down to the deep bronze tan from the DIL art work.
|
|
|
|
|