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Poll: 4 Vs. Femme Fatale - Bigger Era?
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4
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40.60% |
Femme Fatale
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223 |
55.89% |
I Have No Idea
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3.51% |
Member Since: 6/5/2011
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Originally posted by Rafael
I don't even think you believe in your own words
Addressing a few of your delusional claims:
Iconic performances
Beyoncé: Love On Top at VMA (pregnancy announcement), Run The World at Billboard Awards (with Britney watching in the front row then rushing over backstage to congratulate her) and Glastonbury.
Britney:.......................................... .........................
Singles
Beyoncé: RTW is a flop sales and radio wise, but it is a highlight on her show (check the Rock In Rio video I posted), it is used for reference when Beyoncé name is mentioned (who run the world?"), the choreo, the video itself (both of them won awards) and will forever be a highlight in her discography. Bey knows how to ride and handle a flop and make people know its existence (unlike the majority of artists who would call them "promo singles" and rush release another one)
Britney: HIAM, TTWE, IWG, Criminal, all hits and still, where are they now? Did it do anything to help her FF era as whole? I mean... c'mon... the true definition of quick lil singles. Grammy doesn't determinate quality or impact, and obviously chart peaks doesn't either...
Don't brag about TTWE sales since it's not much higher than a few 4 singles... yall make it sound like it was a worldwide smash mega seller or something...
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Those performances you mentioned are remembered by Hives so stop reminding me about that
Of course yes, TTWE was a smash. It sold almost 3M in the USA and around 5M WW. That is what none of 4's couldn't do.
HIAM made dubstep a thing in pop culture from 2011 - 2013. Big names like Madonna, Taylor Swift. Justin Bieber, Kpop artists,... Started to use dubstep after HIAM. That is what we called real Impact. And that's greater than Grammy's and acclaims.
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Originally posted by Bie
Those performances you mentioned are remembered by Hives so stop reminding me about that
Of course yes, TTWE was a smash. It sold almost 3M in the USA and around 5M WW. That is what none of 4's couldn't do.
HIAM made dubstep a thing in pop culture from 2011 - 2013. Big names like Madonna, Taylor Swift. Justin Bieber, Kpop artists,... Started to use dubstep after HIAM. That is what we called real Impact. And that's greater than Grammy's and acclaims.
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ok u must be kidding now....Billboard performance IS iconic ! i mean if thats not iconic then no performance is iconic.....Also the pregnancy announcement was huge but i can accept the fact that the VMA performance is not that remembered...but dont even come for the Billboard performance !
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Originally posted by TeemoR
ok u must be kidding now....Billboard performance IS iconic ! i mean if thats not iconic then no performance is iconic.....Also the pregnancy announcement was huge but i can accept the fact that the VMA performance is not that remembered...but dont even come for the Billboard performance !
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It was a good performance thats all
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Originally posted by coddiecollins
It was a good performance thats all
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lol maybe your standards are a bit too high?
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Originally posted by TeemoR
lol maybe your standards are a bit too high?
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Exactly... thats why it was a good perf for bey standards
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at beyonce's 'iconic performances' i dont remember two from countless performances that era and i visit atrl.
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
at beyonce's 'iconic performances' i dont remember two from countless performances that era and i visit atrl.
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You're a Beyoncé hater... even if you did you would never say it in here... you're opinion is biased.
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Originally posted by Bie
Those performances you mentioned are remembered by Hives so stop reminding me about that
Of course yes, TTWE was a smash. It sold almost 3M in the USA and around 5M WW. That is what none of 4's couldn't do.
HIAM made dubstep a thing in pop culture from 2011 - 2013. Big names like Madonna, Taylor Swift. Justin Bieber, Kpop artists,... Started to use dubstep after HIAM. That is what we called real Impact. And that's greater than Grammy's and acclaims.
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1. Wouldn't expect YOU to remember those performances, but it still remembered by the GP. Sorry, nothing you can do about that. It was a great performance, lots of celebrities tweeted about it, lots of articles and blogs posted about it, was on the pappers the next day, and on and on and on...
2. OK. You got the singles (I'm not gonna comment on the "greater than Grammys and aclaims part" which you only invalidated it because Britney had none of it). Tell me what else she got during the FF. Don't worry, we have time to wait.
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Originally posted by Rafael
1. Wouldn't expect YOU to remember those performances, but it still remembered by the GP. Sorry, nothing you can do about that. It was a great performance, lots of celebrities tweeted about it, lots of articles and blogs posted about it, was on the pappers the next day, and on and on and on...
2. OK. You got the singles (I'm not gonna comment on the "greater than Grammys and aclaims part" which you only invalidated it because Britney had none of it). Tell me what else she got during the FF. Don't worry, we have time to wait.
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We r talking about which was more successful...good performances has nothing to do..with an era...people caring to buy ur songs shows which is more successful..
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Originally posted by TeemoR
ok u must be kidding now....Billboard performance IS iconic ! i mean if thats not iconic then no performance is iconic.....Also the pregnancy announcement was huge but i can accept the fact that the VMA performance is not that remembered...but dont even come for the Billboard performance !
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An iconic performance is a performance that is remembered not only by her Stan base but by other stanbases and media. The billboard one is great but not iconic. No one outside of her Stan base talks about it. Media talked about it a few days after her performance, but not now.
Britney's OIDIA performance at VMAs 2000, Like a virgin of Madonna, Britney and Christina, Slave VMAs, Lady Gaga's paparazzi VMAs,... Are what we called Iconic performances.
Like Britney's stronger performance at AMAs 2001, it was a great performance but it's not iconic. People outside her stanbase Didn't talk about it a few days after than performance. That is what happened to any Beyonce's performance in 4 era and her entire career.
Beyonce is a great performer but she doesn't have an iconic performance. Stop making any of her performance look like they are iconic when they are not.
I don't hate Beyonce and I like some of her works tho.
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Originally posted by Rafael
1. Wouldn't expect YOU to remember those performances, but it still remembered by the GP. Sorry, nothing you can do about that. It was a great performance, lots of celebrities tweeted about it, lots of articles and blogs posted about it, was on the pappers the next day, and on and on and on...
2. OK. You got the singles (I'm not gonna comment on the "greater than Grammys and aclaims part" which you only invalidated it because Britney had none of it). Tell me what else she got during the FF. Don't worry, we have time to wait.
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1. When was the last time you heard someone that is not a Beyonce stan/GP/Media talking about that claimed iconic performance?
2. I'm not trying to discredit Grammy and those critics but I was just trying to say that why need Grammy when your song is recognized and makes impact in pop culture?
I believe people don't know which Grammy categories Beyonce has won and what songs won if you ask them. But if you ask what is the first dubstep single in pop culture, they would name Hold It Against Me.
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
at beyonce's 'iconic performances' i dont remember two from countless performances that era and i visit atrl.
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lol girl everybody who wasn't under a rock knew Bey was pregnant as of late August. so you know at least Love On Top was performed.
secondly I assume you're a die hard hater so you also jumped on the controversy that followed the Billboard Run The World performance.
last but not the last, Beyoncé is the first female EVER (in 30 years history) to perform on the main stage of Glastonbury (115'000 people in the crowd). even if you didn't know it, it's written in history = iconic.
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Originally posted by Rafael
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You better be cos if you still bump this thread, the gap will be bigger and bigger.
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Originally posted by 22 Two's
lol girl everybody who wasn't under a rock knew Bey was pregnant as of late August. so you know at least Love On Top was performed.
secondly I assume you're a die hard hater so you also jumped on the controversy that followed the Billboard Run The World performance.
last but not the last, Beyoncé is the first female EVER (in 30 years history) to perform on the main stage of Glastonbury (115'000 people in the crowd). even if you didn't know it, it's written in history = iconic.
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Good for her..but a performance doesnt mean successful era..ff was more sucessful
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Originally posted by coddiecollins
We r talking about which was more successful...good performances has nothing to do..with an era...people caring to buy ur songs shows which is more successful..
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Originally posted by Bie
You better be cos if you still bump this thread, the gap will be bigger and bigger.
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Originally posted by coddiecollins
Good for her..but a performance doesnt mean successful era..ff was more sucessful
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1. I couldn't care less about a poll's results.
2. People caring to buy your songs reflects which era was bigger, but how about people caring to buy your albums? What does that mean?
Face it: FF got singles. 4 got everything else.
It's really embarassing reading your reasons to back up FF on this. "bla bla bla Brit got singles. She wins. bla bla bla it doesn' matter if Beyoncé sold more albums, bigger tour, made impact with performances, got Grammys and awards and critical aclaim, Brit got singles. She wins bla bla bla bla"
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Bye at the argument that singles determine if someone likes an album. ALBUM SALES are what determine if someone likes an album!
I mean should we get into the fact that combined, Beyoncé's last five albums sold more than Britney's last six?
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I believe Coddie was talking about total record sales during the era, not only song sales.
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Originally posted by rayrrock
Bye at the argument that singles determine if someone likes an album. ALBUM SALES are what determine if someone likes an album!
I mean should we get into the fact that combined, Beyoncé's last five albums sold more than Britney's last six?
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And why comparing Bey's first 5 albums to Britney's last 6 albums? Why not Brit's first 5 albums?
Stop looking for something that could give Bey an edge over Britney
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