The arguments don't entirely make sense, like you say a Sony contract would yield vanilla pop music, but at the same time identify that (and there's a sizeable group here that agrees) XL/Columbia 25 was already that, that as a whole it was too safe and as a result failed to have any massive singles after Hello that would have obviously brought in more money for the label.
The coming-off-of-21 effect isn't really there for next time to prompt quite as much frontloading. She needs an album that takes some risks to switch up her sound even just slightly, that will as a result interest people enough with its content to not only be purchased as a complete work, but also have multiple highlight, successful songs like 21. Even a major label will see that a creative evolution is the way to go here as she moves forward from the age trilogy. You can only sell radio and the GP on the same sound from the same artist so many times; Adele has to break out of this breakup balladeer image she's developed, especially as it's related sentiments no longer ring true to who she's become.
The arguments don't entirely make sense, like you say a Sony contract would yield vanilla pop music, but at the same time identify that (and there's a sizeable group here that agrees) XL/Columbia 25 was already that, that as a whole it was too safe and as a result failed to have any massive singles after Hello that would have obviously brought in more money for the label.
The coming-off-of-21 effect isn't really there for next time to prompt quite as much frontloading. She needs an album that takes some risks to switch up her sound even just slightly, that will as a result interest people enough with its content to not only be purchased as a complete work, but also have multiple highlight, successful songs like 21. Even a major label will see that a creative evolution is the way to go here as she moves forward from the age trilogy. You can only sell radio and the GP on the same sound from the same artist so many times; Adele has to break out of this breakup balladeer image she's developed, especially as it's related sentiments no longer ring true to who she's become.
The content from 25 is leading to that right path imo.
But again, if the deal with Sony is true, we will be fed with a lifetime supply of Greg Kurstin "vanilla pop sound" to compensate for the huge sum of money, and she'll give us an explanation on how she loves her new pop direction, and how it was a conscious decision for her next record.
The entire reason people fell in love with her was because she was different. She'll completely kill her career doing that. The worst thing you can do is completely rely on pop for your entire career. She'll likely be 30 or over by her next record. Pop radio will barely want to touch her. She needs to stick with her base so she'll have a career in music for the rest of her life.
You can still be pop and not sound like everyone else, like what she's been doing (although 25 starts to tread into that territory).
RITD is the perfect example. Fantastic pop song that (still) sounds fresh.
I want Adele to go country for her next album. maybe a collab with Chris Stapleton, he expressed an interest in working with her. No more Greg Kurstin or Tobias for that matter. i imagine their sessions must be something like this:
-So Adele, what do you have for our next song??
-Hello, it's me...
-Perfect
Don't hate me yall, i LOVE Hello but still....
I want her to work with someone who can bring out the best of her assests which are her songwriting and her voice. That's why her work with Danger Mouse and Paul Epworth are considered highlights to me.
Or maybe, just maybe, make a record by herself and experiment. she can definitely pull it off.
But again, if the deal with Sony is true, we will be fed with a lifetime supply of Greg Kurstin "vanilla pop sound" to compensate for the huge sum of money, and she'll give us an explanation on how she loves her new pop direction, and how it was a conscious decision for her next record.
In the end, whatever direction queen might pick, i'll support her.
Hello is a very conversational song so I don't mind the lyrics at all. Actually its pretty sweet Also you may Hello It's Me, but those first three words have pretty much become iconic for her I love it so me haha.
Anyways I'd rather Adele not do country music unless if its no the really cheesy kind of country music. There is this type of country music out there and it gets pretty bland and kind of nasty .. I don't think she'll work by herself, but she did express interest in it before I believe by making a completely acoustic album. I would like that but something more like MYA
Hello was the perfect song to come back with. It's just that should have been the end to her "sad" songs, a song that transitioned her from 21 into the new album. I was really hoping 25 would be about motherhood, being in love, etc. The break up thing felt forced at times from her this time around
Hello was the perfect song to come back with. It's just that should have been the end to her "sad" songs, a song that transitioned her from 21 into the new album. I was really hoping 25 would be about motherhood, being in love, etc. The break up thing felt forced at times from her this time around
But I have faith in her.
This. I almost wish they would've shut up a bit with the more motherhood-themed songs had done, in Time she basically outright said they were better than 25. I don't really care what she's singing about, if it's where her heart is it's more enjoyable to hear because she's willing to give more in stories/reflection. I mean, as she's noted herself to some degree, in the shows she's singing all these depressing breakup songs but then talking about how much she loves her son and how that's changed her as a person in between them, jumping around the stages and interacting with everybody all happily...
Hello is a very conversational song so I don't mind the lyrics at all. Actually its pretty sweet Also you may Hello It's Me, but those first three words have pretty much become iconic for her I love it so me haha.
Anyways I'd rather Adele not do country music unless if its no the really cheesy kind of country music. There is this type of country music out there and it gets pretty bland and kind of nasty .. I don't think she'll work by herself, but she did express interest in it before I believe by making a completely acoustic album. I would like that but something more like MYA
Hello is pretty much iconic, lately it was featured in a commercial here in my country, it was like a tea advert, they changed the instrumental into something oriental which was cool, i gasped when i first heard it, i was like: "This is my queen's song, i know that song!!"
As for country, i think it's the perfect format for her, she can develop her sense of storytelling through that genre, she can manage it.
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Hello was the perfect song to come back with. It's just that should have been the end to her "sad" songs, a song that transitioned her from 21 into the new album. I was really hoping 25 would be about motherhood, being in love, etc. The break up thing felt forced at times from her this time around
But I have faith in her. :'
She also needs to embrace streaming with the next album.
I don't hate Hello, i know it's the perfect song of her comeback, and i completely agree with you, i also wanted to hear a theme about her current state in life, such as motherhood. Greg kurstin to me sounds very bland, as evidenced by his work with the other pop girls (even the new Tegan and Sara album was a bore), he doesn't sound like someone who would challenge you to bring out the best of your abilities. i may be wrong.....
And i also think she should open her eyes on streaming, i think one the reasons for 21's success was the easy access to her songs, hence why you see the multimillion views on certain lyrics videos.
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The arguments don't entirely make sense, like you say a Sony contract would yield vanilla pop music, but at the same time identify that (and there's a sizeable group here that agrees) XL/Columbia 25 was already that, that as a whole it was too safe and as a result failed to have any massive singles after Hello that would have obviously brought in more money for the label.
The coming-off-of-21 effect isn't really there for next time to prompt quite as much frontloading. She needs an album that takes some risks to switch up her sound even just slightly, that will as a result interest people enough with its content to not only be purchased as a complete work, but also have multiple highlight, successful songs like 21. Even a major label will see that a creative evolution is the way to go here as she moves forward from the age trilogy. You can only sell radio and the GP on the same sound from the same artist so many times; Adele has to break out of this breakup balladeer image she's developed, especially as it's related sentiments no longer ring true to who she's become.
I completely agree until this part, i know that 25 was essential for her, and it proved a worthy successor to 21, but looking back at the example of artists who signed major deals like Adele's, most of their records were described as safe, uninspired, or tried hard to emulate their preceding efforts. In fact, i'm positively sure that huge labels like Sony wouldn't care much for a creative direction than find a way to sustain their profits. And what other way to do that than reworking her formula of ballads.
I don't expect her to make huge numbers with her next album, which is a sign for more experimentation from her side, but with this supposed deal, she will be pressured to make something comparable to her past successes.
To me, this whole argument would've been avoided, if she stayed with XL.
I don't know if you guys sensed it, but i think she found a hard time selling this album as nostalgic, seeing as everyone still describing it as another break up album, and getting the meaning of WWWY wrong.
That's why she needs to spice things up for the next one.
She doesn't need to spice anything up, nor does she need to evolve. She needs to go back to basics, with just her and a guitar. Barbara Stresiand didn't evolve, and there are many other examples.
I don't listen to Adele for experimental music. I've got other faves for that. I listen to Adele because of her soul and her voice. That's why 21 is one of my favourite albums of all time.
Have you guys heard Sound & Color by Alabama Shakes? It's a bluesy-rock record, and I think Adele could very well pull of a sound like that. I'd love it if she made a record like that, that rock-edge would give her that "spice" while the bluesy/soul side to it would still be true to her sound. The best of both worlds.
She doesn't need to spice anything up, nor does she need to evolve. She needs to go back to basics, with just her and a guitar. Barbara Stresiand didn't evolve, and there are many other examples.
I don't listen to Adele for experimental music. I've got other faves for that. I listen to Adele because of her soul and her voice. That's why 21 is one of my favourite albums of all time.
I understand, it could go either way, i know she said in an interview she can't reinvent herself like Madonna, perhaps staying in her lane is her best option, like it could hurt her in the long run, as she wouldn't be believed by her audience. That's why i think going country would be a logical evolution for her style. Anyway, it depends on the material she puts out.... these are merely assumptions.
Have you guys heard Sound & Color by Alabama Shakes? It's a bluesy-rock record, and I think Adele could very well pull of a sound like that. I'd love it if she made a record like that, that rock-edge would give her that "spice" while the bluesy/soul side to it would still be true to her sound. The best of both worlds.
Yeah this too, i mean she has a lot of lanes to choose from.
Maybe she can pull off a diva-ish disco album, perhaps something like this ??
I don't know if you guys sensed it, but i think she found a hard time selling this album as nostalgic, seeing as everyone still describing it as another break up album, and getting the meaning of WWWY wrong.
That's why she needs to spice things up for the next one.
I think so as well. Actually when she said this album's theme is nostalgia I didn't really buy it. Only a few songs were truly in lines with this theme. Its kind of a good thing though imo
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She doesn't need to spice anything up, nor does she need to evolve. She needs to go back to basics, with just her and a guitar. Barbara Stresiand didn't evolve, and there are many other examples.
I don't listen to Adele for experimental music. I've got other faves for that. I listen to Adele because of her soul and her voice. That's why 21 is one of my favourite albums of all time.
I agree she doesn't need to spice things up, but I disagree that she doesn't need to evolve. She should definitely explore other topics outside of breakups and relationships overall. Also just her and a guitar actually isn't really her "basics" its just some songs she has done in the past, and I'll argue those songs are not her best.
More songs like RITD was my hope for 25. I really loved 25(LITD, SD, RL, WWWY, WUTB, IMY & SML are all amazing and different than 21).
For future albums, she can do rock&blues like Alabama shakes, she can pull it off easily.
Also something like 'Why Do You Love Me', which sounds like a Fleetwood Mac song.
All I Ask is she never makes songs like 'All I Ask' ever again. it seemed forced. I am not a fan of belting or high notes.
Idon't ( or the GP) really care for Critics or fans of this other failed popstars critiques. They can "Suck My Dick".
I completely agree until this part, i know that 25 was essential for her, and it proved a worthy successor to 21, but looking back at the example of artists who signed major deals like Adele's, most of their records were described as safe, uninspired, or tried hard to emulate their preceding efforts. In fact, i'm positively sure that huge labels like Sony wouldn't care much for a creative direction than find a way to sustain their profits. And what other way to do that than reworking her formula of ballads.
I don't expect her to make huge numbers with her next album, which is a sign for more experimentation from her side, but with this supposed deal, she will be pressured to make something comparable to her past successes.
To me, this whole argument would've been avoided, if she stayed with XL.
But what I'm saying is that they can't sustain profits unless she changes. There is little room to rework the ballads to fit her current mindset in a marketable way, in fact that is what seemed to be done most clearly on WWWY, and as you said, it was widely misunderstood. I think the label(s) saw that too late this time, semi-dumping it for the similarly-issued AIA after the fact rather than going for the fresher frontier in WUTB in the first place.
She should look toward what, as Mike said, her audience likes in her, that's she's different. You can see it in her own music taste, what she says, how she dresses... there is an edge to Adele that doesn't even get fully played up being on XL at this point. Maybe that's because there's a fear of losing the middle-aged/elderly crowd that supplies a lot of her physical sales, and it might be even less likely that it'll come out now if she's on a major deal. But, if somebody at Sony could figure out how to balance the classic favored by the old with the cool favored by the young, and moreover get music from her that captures the energy that you get out of her interviews and banter (there's a reason her Carpool Karaoke went viral, it did that to some degree), the returns would be much greater than any vanilla pop or watered-down 21, and they have more resources than XL does to push it to the masses.
Queen of controversy And the haters dare say she's already forgotten and doesn't make headlines. She does the most inoffensive things and still makes headlines, while others have to do the most to gain even the faintest attention! When will their faves?
The entire reason people fell in love with her was because she was different. She'll completely kill her career doing that. The worst thing you can do is completely rely on pop for your entire career. She'll likely be 30 or over by her next record. Pop radio will barely want to touch her. She needs to stick with her base so she'll have a career in music for the rest of her life.
Also you may Hello It's Me, but those first three words have pretty much become iconic for her 
.. I don't think she'll work by herself, but she did express interest in it before I believe by making a completely acoustic album. I would like that but something more like MYA
