[Radiance]

Sad how Chafee is being treated in the primaries. He's actually quite a distinguished politician; did some great work at Rhode Island. Poor debate performance but definitely more worthy than Webb.

[Giselle]

I don't see Biden campaigning for Hillary. Less because of his feelings for her (whatever they may be), but moreso because he wants it to be him. Badly. He didn't say he wasn't running because he was oh-so content with life/place in politics. He didn't say he was running because he didn't think him or his family could bear it. He said he isn't running simply because he doesn't think he could win. And that must be a HARD pill to swallow.

I can see him perhaps speaking at the DNC though.

[BlueTimberwolf]

So interesting we may be going into a general election where the Republican front runner is less hawkish than the Democrat.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Giselle

I don't see Biden campaigning for Hillary. Less because of his feelings for her (whatever they may be), but moreso because he wants it to be him. Badly. He didn't say he wasn't running because he was oh-so content with life/place in politics. He didn't say he was running because he didn't think him or his family could bear it. He said he isn't running simply because he doesn't think he could win. And that must be a HARD pill to swallow.

I can see him perhaps speaking at the DNC though.

Yeah that's why I wrote possibly. There's a 50% chance he campaigns for her IF Obama does. If Obama doesn't, I don't see him trying to at all.

This is crazy, if she does become the nominee has any other nominee ever had the backing of two former presidents, a sitting VP, and a potential VP to go on the trail with? That doesn't even take into account how powerful she is. We could be witnessing something we may never see again.

@Blue this would be the first time in a while. When was the last time the democrat was more hawkish than the republican nominee? Assuming it's Hillary and Trump like you're suggesting.

[Giselle]

As much as I love Hillary, I am sad we will never see a Warren presidency. I think she isn't running because of that little pledge of allegiance she signed to Hillary back in 2013 along with some other women in the party. I do wonder what the democratic field would look like without her.

[Radiance]

Originally posted by Giselle

As much as I love Hillary, I am sad we will never see a Warren presidency. I think she isn't running because of that little pledge of allegiance she signed to Hillary back in 2013 along with some other women in the party. I do wonder what the democratic field would look like without her.

Probably be Biden in the same position as Clinton is now (minus the scandals). He'd still cloud over the rest of the field. 2020/2024 will be a different story - no more big name establishment Democrats; Warren could have a shot.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by RatedG²

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@Blue this would be the first time in a while. When was the last time the democrat was more hawkish than the republican nominee? Assuming it's Hillary and Trump like you're suggesting.

Yeah, that's what I'm assuming. I can't think of one.

[BlueTimberwolf]

I see that the Dems are holding a #BlacksLivesMatter town hall. That is I guess a good move to try to consolidate the black vote, but 'm starting to wonder if #BLM is actually making the black community less safe. The anti-police sentiment that they are helping to put out has been causing cops to pull back which is causing murder rates to go up. Plus they are pushing for more lenient sentencing laws, which sound good on the surface, but is it the best thing to do while crime seems to be on the rise? I don't know.

[Radiance]

Who should Clinton pick for VP (assuming she gets the Dem nom)?

I assume it'll be Castro.

[Giselle]

If I wake up in time, I'll be watching Hillary's hearing live. I'll try to live post.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Giselle

If I wake up in time, I'll be watching Hillary's hearing live. I'll try to live post.

I'll be at uni so I'll be keeping an eye out for your posts Giselle!

[Chucko]

Originally posted by Radiance

Of all the Democratic candidates, Clinton is the one that aligns the closest to him. Sanders is too far left to ever be in consideration, and O'Malley is too. Clinton is more moderate and shares many common views with the White House. Only recently has she started splintering off but that was an attempt to differentiate from Biden.

So what is she going to do now? Say I support TPP, I have evolved over the past few weeks? She is already being called a flip-flopper, it's not Biden that pulled her to the left it was Sanders. Probably over a 100 pages ago I posted this was going to happen to her and she was going to be stuck hanging out on the left to far to pivot back towards the center. Maybe she isn't to far out there right now but it's not going to be an easy road to play the moderate when she has been throwing around the progressive the card.

I think one thing we all know is she will not hesitate to use the military if she thinks it's needed. Anyone who thinks she won't is absolutely fooling themselves. Just look at what Obama has done with the drone program, who would ever have thought that was going to happen? Hillary is way more hawkish than Obama.

[Radiance]

Originally posted by Chucko

So what is she going to do now? Say I support TPP, I have evolved over the past few weeks? She is already being called a flip-flopper, it's not Biden that pulled her to the left it was Sanders. Probably over a 100 pages ago I posted this was going to happen to her and she was going to be stuck hanging out on the left to far to pivot back towards the center. Maybe she isn't to far out there right now but it's not going to be an easy road to play the moderate when she has been throwing around the progressive the card.

I think one thing we all know is she will not hesitate to use the military if she thinks it's needed. Anyone who thinks she won't is absolutely fooling themselves. Just look at what Obama has done with the drone program, who would ever have thought that was going to happen? Hillary is way more hawkish than Obama.

I think she'll be fine as long as she continues her current stance during the primaries, but I expect her to move back to a more moderate position in the general election, with a more liberal VP handling that demographic.

Personally I feel like O'Malley is angling for VP; could have went after Clinton much stronger during the debate and seems to be wedging himself in between her and Sanders.

[@michael]

I get "Bye Bye Baby" stuck in my head every time I see the thread title

[Giselle]

C-Span 2 is currently airing the 1/23/13 hearing.

[RihsusChrist(ATG)]

Originally posted by Giselle

As much as I love Hillary, I am sad we will never see a Warren presidency. I think she isn't running because of that little pledge of allegiance she signed to Hillary back in 2013 along with some other women in the party. I do wonder what the democratic field would look like without her.

You'd have more democratic governor's running, along with Warren.

...at least Warren has ideals, unlike Hillary. And it's not that I hate democrats, I'd of supported Biden over many in the GOP had he ran. I just don't like Hillary Rodham Clinton...the lies, deceit, cover ups, and consistent flip flops are just to much for me to ever support her. We don't need a Democratic Richard Nixon.

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)

You'd have more democratic governor's running, along with Warren.

...at least Warren has ideals, unlike Hillary. And it's not that I hate democrats, I'd of supported Biden over many in the GOP had he ran. I just don't like Hillary Rodham Clinton...the lies, deceit, cover ups, and consistent flip flops are just to much for me to ever support her. We don't need a Democratic Richard Nixon.

Basically anyone that's made it into the White House will have had to either bend over or do something equally reprehensible to get there. It's the one job that everyone wants.

[Chucko]

Is Trump going to be live tweeting the hearing tomorrow?

[Citrus]

I have class all day tomorrow, but I'll catch up to the hearing when I can.

[Retro]

Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)

You'd have more democratic governor's running, along with Warren.

...at least Warren has ideals, unlike Hillary. And it's not that I hate democrats, I'd of supported Biden over many in the GOP had he ran. I just don't like Hillary Rodham Clinton...the lies, deceit, cover ups, and consistent flip flops are just to much for me to ever support her. We don't need a Democratic Richard Nixon.

Oh please. Don't even compare this non-scandal to Nixon.