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TV Show: Game of Thrones: Season 7 | Teaser released
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 All hail Queen Daenerys
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Thanks, Dancefloor 
The only problem I have is that thanks to her dragons Daenerys is pretty much overshadowing all other sides and make most watching the show root for her.
I don't feel like that's the point of Game of Thrones at all as it has both sympathetic and unsympathetic characters in each fraction to wisely choose who you want to root for to sit on the throne and/or survive. |
I disagree, I've always felt since way back when I read the 1st 3 books almost 10 yrs ago that the entire point of the series IS that Dany is IT. She's who will prevail and who should be rooted for. Nothing else could make sense to me.
I feel like if that's what the show's doing, then it's doing its job.
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I disagree, I've always felt since way back when I read the 1st 3 books almost 10 yrs ago that the entire point of the series IS that Dany is IT. She's who will prevail and who should be rooted for. Nothing else could make sense to me.
I feel like if that's what the show's doing, then it's doing its job.
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What's the point in playing a 'Game of Thrones' if you know who's the winner?
This show/book/fiction literally has dozens of fractions wanting to reign and while some are bigger what's the point in having them all, really, if it's so obvious who everyone should be rooting for and who's going to defeat everyone in the end? Let's just agree to disagree.
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But everything makes you think you should root for Jon Snow and Dany. From the very beginning, before her dragons, it just made sense that she'll sit on the Throne and Jon would be the King Of the North. From the little regard her brother has for her, being sold to a man she doesn't love then falling in love with him, her kindness and virtue....everything, same goes for Jon. And sadly I agree the Dany's scene did overshadow, the most thrilling part of the episode for me which was the killing that happened with the bothers of the Night's watch. I literally screamed when that awful guy stabbed the regent in the back. Screamed!!
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By the way how many books are they? I went to the library the other day to bu them and I stumbled on the 15th tome; I read the summary and it was not the end. I'm not reading more than 15 books on the same story and I hope they are not planning on making 15 seasons. 
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^ I see where you're coming from and that's exactly what I'm criticising. What's the point in all those fractions when you make it so obvious who you should root for? For example, take the battle at the Blackwater Bay: You didn't want Lannisters to lose because that would've meant Tyrion would lose, too and Sansa might get hurt. But you don't want them to win, either, because Sansa is their prisoner and King Joffrey's obviously evil.
There's always something speaking for and against each fraction except for Daenerys and Jon. Don't get me wrong, though. I always look forward to their scenes and I catch myself being most slayed by Daenerys all the time, which is why I came to that conclusion. The show is full of intrigues and twists and fractions it would be a bummer if the end was so obvious and transparent from the beginning.
The books at the library were probably the split versions. So far there's 5.
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By the way, I loved that rage behind the wall, as well. For me, it was another great twist and I'm anticipating its aftermath and seeing how they're gonna survive there now. Especially the death of the regent came out of nowhere! I loved it. 
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^ I see where you're coming from and that's exactly what I'm criticising. What's the point in all those fractions when you make it so obvious who you should root for? For example, take the battle at the Blackwater Bay: You didn't want Lannisters to lose because that would've meant Tyrion would lose, too and Sansa might get hurt. But you don't want them to win, either, because Sansa is their prisoner and King Joffrey's obviously evil.
There's always something speaking for and against each fraction except for Daenerys and Jon. Don't get me wrong, though. I always look forward to their scenes and I catch myself being most slayed by Daenerys all the time, which is why I came to that conclusion. The show is full of intrigues and twists and fractions it would be a bummer if the end was so obvious and transparent from the beginning.
The books at the library were probably the split versions. So far there's 5.
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Your point kinda goes towards ours in a way. See, just like we feel like we "should" root for Jon and Dany, we also root for Tyrion or Arya for example. No matter the situation and even if winning means his (Tyrion) family winning too, we root for him. I think you just approach the show differently and I understand it. You approach it by fractions kinda like in the books, when I approach it only by individuals.
Thanks, I'll buy them then.
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Your point kinda goes towards ours in a way. See, just like we feel like we "should" root for Jon and Dany, we also root for Tyrion or Arya for example. No matter the situation and even if winning means his (Tyrion) family winning too, we root for him. I think you just approach the show differently and I understand it. You approach it by fractions kinda like in the books, when I approach it only by individuals.
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omg, WAIT. You're right.
I guess, I just like to look at the fractions as a whole. Even if Tyrion despites his sister he'll always be fighting for their side - at least for now, I guess. In the end each character will always be held back by his fraction. Theon is a Greyjoy even if he doesn't want to be, Jon Snow will never be a Stark as much as he'd like to. When a fraction wins only their people will benefit from it, the rest won't.
But we shouldn't forget fractionless people only fighting for their own - Varys, Littlefinger, that wh0re who's fighting her way up and now the Tyrells (Margaery, Queen of Thorns). They're not to underestimate and I think especially Littlefinger is gonna play a huge role in future happenings. Those are kind of speaking for approaching this show more by its own characters like you do.
However, say Daenerys claims the throne there is no safety for Tyrion, for example. Or Robb Stark and his people, honestly. This conflict makes it so interesting to me. You root for these people, but don't really want to lose the other ones, too.
sorry for those novels 
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Another series high for ratings. 
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Sunday’s stunner episode of Game of Thrones continued the HBO fantasy hit’s streak of setting new ratings records.
The fourth episode of the third season delivered 4.9 million viewers for its 9 p.m. telecast, up 4 percent from last week, with 5.9 million viewers for the night across two plays.
That marks a new series-high initial airing for the show, which returned to its best ratings yet last month and then hit another new benchmark last week.
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http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/04/23/ga...-high-ratings/
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Originally posted by Allstar
omg, WAIT. You're right.
I guess, I just like to look at the fractions as a whole. Even if Tyrion despites his sister he'll always be fighting for their side - at least for now, I guess. In the end each character will always be held back by his fraction. Theon is a Greyjoy even if he doesn't want to be, Jon Snow will never be a Stark as much as he'd like to. When a fraction wins only their people will benefit from it, the rest won't.
But we shouldn't forget fractionless people only fighting for their own - Varys, Littlefinger, that wh0re who's fighting her way up and now the Tyrells (Margaery, Queen of Thorns). They're not to underestimate and I think especially Littlefinger is gonna play a huge role in future happenings. Those are kind of speaking for approaching this show more by its own characters like you do.
However, say Daenerys claims the throne there is no safety for Tyrion, for example. Or Robb Stark and his people, honestly. This conflict makes it so interesting to me. You root for these people, but don't really want to lose the other ones, too.
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Lol, no I love reading your long posts on the show. I completely agree. I don't like Littlefinger's plot much though, it kinda bores me.
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By the way how many books are they? I went to the library the other day to bu them and I stumbled on the 15th tome; I read the summary and it was not the end. I'm not reading more than 15 books on the same story and I hope they are not planning on making 15 seasons. |
LOL it's 5 books so far of about 1,000 pages each, some are less pages than that.
There are 2 more books planned which will be about 1,000-1,500 I'm guessing.
I LMAO everytime I see someone moan about the length of these books, because my favorite book series is The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan, it's very similar to GoT but more fantasyish and better, and it is 14 books of 700-1,000 pages.
A Song of Ice and Fire readers have it easy.
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Originally posted by Allstar
omg, WAIT. You're right.
I guess, I just like to look at the fractions as a whole. Even if Tyrion despites his sister he'll always be fighting for their side - at least for now, I guess. In the end each character will always be held back by his fraction. Theon is a Greyjoy even if he doesn't want to be, Jon Snow will never be a Stark as much as he'd like to. When a fraction wins only their people will benefit from it, the rest won't.
But we shouldn't forget fractionless people only fighting for their own - Varys, Littlefinger, that wh0re who's fighting her way up and now the Tyrells (Margaery, Queen of Thorns). They're not to underestimate and I think especially Littlefinger is gonna play a huge role in future happenings. Those are kind of speaking for approaching this show more by its own characters like you do.
However, say Daenerys claims the throne there is no safety for Tyrion, for example. Or Robb Stark and his people, honestly. This conflict makes it so interesting to me. You root for these people, but don't really want to lose the other ones, too.
sorry for those novels |
I can't really say anything I want to about that paragraph without being spoily, suffice it to say, I feel like Dany could cross the sea and take the throne without having a specific personal grudge with any of the really likable characters. So as long as they weren't too problematic toward her and accepted her rule, they'd be fine. People like Littlefinger, Varys, Tyrion, the Tyrells, John, Arya, etc. aren't specifically fighting to have the throne for themselves I don't think. Littlefinger and Varys especially would rather be a voice in the throneholder's ear, if Dany played them smartly she could keep them happy and get them on her side.
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LOL it's 5 books so far of about 1,000 pages each, some are less pages than that.
There are 2 more books planned which will be about 1,000-1,500 I'm guessing.
I LMAO everytime I see someone moan about the length of these books, because my favorite book series is The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan, it's very similar to GoT but more fantasyish and better, and it is 14 books of 700-1,000 pages.
A Song of Ice and Fire readers have it easy. |
There are 5 books, but in many countries they're splitted into two halves per book. I think that's why he's saying 15 books, as they're probably 10 volumes for the 5 books.
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There are 5 books, but in many countries they're splitted into two halves per book. I think that's why he's saying 15 books, as they're probably 10 volumes for the 5 books.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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I don't think you are supposed to root only for Dany and Jon. Honestly, I don't even root for Jon at all. He's my least favorite character. The wall just bores me to death. To me, George R.R. Martin writes his characters so well that it's hard not to root for any of them. In the books, it is easier to separte each character from another. For example, in the series (this last episode), the last scene really overshadows the rest or maybe the thing with the Night's Watch, that you kind of forget about the rest. But if you read the books, the chapters are from the point of view of some of the principal characters and sometimes there are 200-300 pages before another Dany or another Jon episode comes. So you get involved more with everything and you kind of forget of Dany for a while and really care for the others. Plus, you get to know what they're thinking. In the show, that's hard to portray. So, that really helps. For instance, I didn't mind Jamie for season 1 & 2, but in book #3 he's a POV character, something he was not in book 1 & 2, so you know more about him and honestly I've fallen in love with his character and I always look forward to his chapters, or Tyrion's, or Arya's or Catelyn's, even if they don't have dragons.
Sorry for the chapter, too. 
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I can't imagine what will happen when Dany returns and meets the Lannisters, Starks, etc. Will they unite in order to defeat her or in the end there will be this mega alliance between everybody versus the north dead.
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the unsullied are supposed to have no feelings, they were so brainwashed and they dont feel human at all. how the hell did they make a decision to fight for Dany instead of being free? i dont think they are even capable of making such a meaningful decision.
anyway, ive been watching that scene ever since it aired Sunday.
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QUEEN Daenerys !! ! ! !! ! ! !! I Think season 3 is defenately going to end with Daenerys on the throne with her 3 dragons around her
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