[Alejandrawrrr]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

Vintage 2004 footage of Elizabeth Warren talking about Hillary

Elizabeth is honestly such a queen, my first choice for the 2016 nominee On an unrelated note, I love her speaking voice.

Originally posted by Lights and Waves

The woman on the top left & the asian girl looking uncomfortable af The gun picture

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Radiance

Biden will run. The White House obviously aren't too happy with Hillary. She shouldn't have splintered from tiptoeing the White House line until Biden formally declined.

Biden running will eat up some of Hillary's votes. Won't affect Sanders because his base is solid. Biden and Hillary are parallels as establishment democrats, and although I think Clinton will win out in the end, it complicates the race in an undesirable way.

I want the democratic primaries to be efficient and simple.

I've said it yesterday (or two days ago) and I'll say it again while agreeing with you. Biden is running, he is running right now but campaigning against Hillary and slighting her every chance he gets. The 1.1 million miles comment, the republican enemies comment, Beau's dying words, it's all calculated.

Right now Hillary has over 50% of the established base backing her. Biden will obviously get a boost when he decides to run. However, to gain supporters it must mean Hillary has to lose supporters. It will eat a good chunk out of her established supporters and we will actually have a 3 way dogfight for the nomination, which Clinton still leading solidly but not monumentally. Biden and Clinton are eye to eye on all (well 90%) of major issues for the democrats and GP so for Biden to distance himself from her and to show that he should be the nominee he has to attack her personally. That means taking digs at her credibility and scandal filled political career, something he has already started. This will divide the democratic party like it did in the 2008 primaries. Hopefully, like in 2008, they build up together when the general election comes for whoever the nominee is whether it's Clinton, Biden, or Sanders (listed in order of who's most likely to be nominee to the least likely)

Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)

This scalding hot tea by Lizzy on Hillary! All Joe gotta do is run this clip as an ad...it'd be so effective!

If Biden promises the DNC that he will pick Warren as his VP, it might be game over for Hillary.

I'm in school and can't watch the video. What does she say?

Warren isn't interested in the White House top positions at all. Not only would she not decline but I doubt Biden would pick her

[TikiMiss]

What that warren video tells me is that Hillary to her core is progressive and cares about progressive values, but lets money and winning get in the way. Maybe in the white house, with no need to answer to people as much, she would be more liberal

Edit: if biden picks warren and warren accepts, it would be the height of hypocrisy. Biden wrote some of the bills Warren is fighting against now

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

What that warren video tells me is that Hillary to her core is progressive and cares about progressive values, but lets money and winning get in the way. Maybe in the white house, with no need to answer to people as much, she would be more liberal

Edit: if biden picks warren and warren accepts, it would be the height of hypocrisy. Biden wrote some of the bills Warren is fighting against now

Meh. I don't think so, not that I'm saying you're wrong but I just think in the White House you're more likely to get caught up in money

I mean she has the backing of many super PACs and wealthy political figures. They could have "control" over what she tries to implement (somewhat) in the WH, just like any other president. And if she doesn't comply then things could get testy

[Alejandrawrrr]

Originally posted by RatedG²

I'm in school and can't watch the video. What does she say?

Basically when Hillary was First Lady a bill was being proposed by credit card companies to make more money by making bankruptcy harder to file. Elizabeth spoke out against it, and Hillary invited her to have a private discussion and educate her on the issue. Elizabeth was impressed at how quickly she learned, and when the bill was being passed Hill influenced Bill in vetoing the bill.

Then fast forward to Hillary being a senator; the bill was proposed again, and this time Hillary personally voted in favor of it. Elizabeth said she views this as Hillary treating these groups as constituents.

edit: unrelated, but throwback videos like that make me so much more pessimistic about the future of America. They were talking about the exact same issues we're talking about now; very little has changed 11 years later, with 7 of those being under a democratic president's term.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr

Basically when Hillary was First Lady a bill was being proposed by credit card companies to make more money by making bankruptcy harder to file. Elizabeth spoke out against it, and Hillary invited her to have a private discussion and educate her on the issue. Elizabeth was impressed at how quickly she learned, and when the bill was being passed Hill influenced Bill in vetoing the bill.

Then fast forward to Hillary being a senator; the bill was proposed again, and this time Hillary personally voted in favor of it. Elizabeth said he views this as Hillary treating these groups as constituents.

Oop. Not Warren spilling the tea

[@michael]

Biden to make an announcement in 5 minutes ?!?!?!?!

[@michael]

Obama will also be there. Is he gonna endorse him on the spot, right then and there?

[iamvladd]

Biden making announcement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMaT5W-p5Ps

[TikiMiss]

oh god. at the same time I don't like Joe Biden and am pro-Hillary, and at the other same time, I'm so ready for the Democratic nomination to get more interesting.

I hope it becomes: Biden with Obama's backing facing-off face-to-face with Clinton. That might make it an evenly matched race :hyper:

[TikiMiss]

Oh. CNN is saying that since he's delivering it in the Rose Garden means that it's likely he's not going to run.

[TikiMiss]

Ok. Biden just stepped out with Obama and his wife

[iamvladd]

No

[@michael]

Congrats to Hillary

[TikiMiss]

BIDEN IS NOT RUNNING

[TikiMiss]

ok. now that Biden is out, Obama will have to help Hillary out with the emails.

[Chucko]

Originally posted by Radiance

I wonder what will come of her emails. FBI don't seem to be doing anything.

Do you expect a weekly update from the FBI on their investigation? Look at it this way, the longer it takes the worse it will probably be for Hillary. I am sure there will be a few small leaks from time to time but nothing substantial.

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by Chucko

Do you expect a weekly update from the FBI on their investigation? Look at it this way, the longer it takes the worse it will probably be for Hillary. I am sure there will be a few small leaks from time to time but nothing substantial.

now that Biden is out, it's pretty much 99% not going to happen. Even if the FBI finds anything, the DOJ prosecutes and indicts, and that's up to the Obama administration.

They're not going to torpedo the best shot the Obamas have of continuing their legacy now that Joe is out. Hillary, for good or bad, is not going to get hit with a single thing.

[@michael]

Still quite a nice speech Swan song.

[ArtForFreedom]

I absolutely love Joe but I understand his reasoning.. Hillary is about to take it over now