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Celeb News: Gaga: "Acoustic music isn't better than electronic music"
Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Believing that electronic music isn't fully capable of conveying the entire range of human emotion/experience is so archaic.
They're all instruments. It doesn't matter, either way there are humans behind it. Go argue about the about the distinction between the potential profundity/impact of a handwritten letter versus a Facebook message. You'll be just as stupid.
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Originally posted by DvnR
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20 pages of word-twisting 
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
I know Depeche Mode, but you basically proved my point. The electronic music had its break through in the 80s, but they were adamant in being cold and distant. This song continued the trend, besides a few songs on the album this one is cold too. Its not a warm song. Do you know what I mean by warm?
And I have no clue why you should be the video. Its not called the greatest pop song, often that title goes to a classic song from the 60s-70s.
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I meant greatest synth pop song, and I think I know what you mean by warm as the the atmosphere based on the instrumentation/ production.
Both styles have their pros and cons.
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
They're all instruments. It doesn't matter, either way there are humans behind it.
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There is a disconnect from this thinking though, at some extent people still believe that a computer is the one that generated the music, even if someone ran a sequence within it to get that sound it's still seen as a computer production -- hence the view of manufactured music or synthetic music since it's not being produced by a human being. It's the same reason people despise auto-tune because they feel a computer is corrupting the sound of the human voice in order to produce a better more efficient sound instead of a true voice. It's the same philosophy here, acoustic music is considered to be a higher value because humans are creating the sound not a machine. Is it right? That's debatable. But I can understand and see the logic behind why those people feel how they feel. It again comes down to hooky sound production and authentic artful human expression.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Monroe
There is a disconnect from this thinking though, at some extent people still believe that a computer is the one that generated the music, even if someone ran a sequence within it to get that sound it's still seen as a computer production -- hence the view of manufactured music or synthetic music since it's not being produced by a human being. It's the same reason people despise auto-tune because they feel a computer is corrupting the sound of the human voice in order to produce a better more efficient sound instead of a true voice. It's the same philosophy here, acoustic music is considered to be a higher value because humans are creating the sound not a machine. Is it right? That's debatable. But I can understand and see the logic behind why those people feel how they feel. It again comes down to hooky sound production and authentic artful human expression.
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Well of course. If that disconnect didn't exist then this argument wouldn't even be happening, but, you know, some people are more superficial than others in their evaluation of the merit of things.
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
Believing that electronic music isn't fully capable of conveying the entire range of human emotion/experience is so archaic.
They're all instruments. It doesn't matter, either way there are humans behind it. Go argue about the about the distinction between the potential profundity/impact of a handwritten letter versus a Facebook message. You'll be just as stupid.
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It has to do with the feel of something, Acoustic songs are bare and stripped. And often electronic isn't stripped. When you just hear a voice and a piano it hits you harder then hearing synths and a voice.
And a handwritten letter is seen as better because the person touched it, they took their time to write it with their hands. Any mistake, pen marks, and things like that add a sentimentally to it that a Facebook message can't. Its the same with texting versus talking on a phone. It's more human to write than to type.
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
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Acoustic >>>>> Electronic.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
It has to do with the feel of something, Acoustic songs are bare and stripped. And often electronic isn't stripped. When you just hear a voice and a piano it hits you harder then hearing synths and a voice.
And a handwritten letter is seen as better because the person touched it, they took their time to write it with their hands. Any mistake, pen marks, and things like that add a sentimentally to it that a Facebook message can't. Its the same with texting versus talking on a phone. It's more human to write than to type.
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It's all a matter of taste. If someone sent me a handwritten letter in the male I'd expect it was my dead Grandma who'd never heard of the internet. Culture changes with technology, the instrument of expression should never take precedence over the quality of the expression itself.
It's like that whole bull**** "technology isolates us" argument. No, actually, technology allows us to be more interconnected as a people than ever. As a direct result of modern technology I'm able to be exposed to a variety of people and perspectives from all over the world that would have been impossible before.
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
It's all a matter of taste. If someone sent me a handwritten letter in the male I'd expect it was my dead Grandma who'd never heard of the internet. Culture changes with technology, the instrument of expression should never take precedence over the quality of the expression itself.
It's like that whole bull**** "technology isolates us" argument. No, actually, technology allows us to be more interconnected as a people than ever. As a direct result of modern technology I'm able to be exposed to a variety of people and perspectives from all over the world that would have been impossible before.
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I never said anything was wrong with that. I was just explaining why.
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Every genre and every style of music has the same possibilities. Instruments and computers are nothing more than tools of artists creativity. It really depends on the artist what he/she will make out of it.
But Gaga is not doing good, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Every genre and every style of music has the same possibilities. Instruments and computers are nothing more than tools of artists creativity. It really depends on the artist what he/she will make out of it.
But Gaga is not doing good, in my opinion.
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Agree on all points.
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Member Since: 3/16/2012
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
It has to do with the feel of something, Acoustic songs are bare and stripped. And often electronic isn't stripped. When you just hear a voice and a piano it hits you harder then hearing synths and a voice.
And a handwritten letter is seen as better because the person touched it, they took their time to write it with their hands. Any mistake, pen marks, and things like that add a sentimentally to it that a Facebook message can't. Its the same with texting versus talking on a phone. It's more human to write than to type.
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I sort of get you. If you look at acoustic instruments they all use physical phenomenons to produce sounds upon stimulation. I guess that's the "warmth" you're referring to.
But acoustic and electronic instruments are both created by humans following their respective logic and procedures depending on how they're utilized to create sound. Just like guitars and pianos are adjusted to create a better/different sound, those machines/software are also re-programmed to do the same. Machines and software may be devoid of obvious vibration and resonance, but they are there, in the form electric pulses. To them height (voltage) and width (electric current) are the determining factors instead of air, membranes and strings. Maybe that's the skill Gaga's talking about; feeling those electric pulses, which I think that's why when you're trying to get an idea out of your head and turn it into sound with electronic instruments it's not an easy task.
It's a matter of perspective.
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I agree with her. Though acoustic music does bring more emotion....
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Originally posted by FantasySoul
I agree with her. Though acoustic music does bring more emotion....
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Typically, but not exclusively.
To use Gaga's music as an example, I really felt a connection to TEOG the first time I heard it. The euphoric and bittersweet vibes combined with the context moved me. It was celebratory but sad and I totally got that.
Now, just because it had a dance beat doesn't make the effect it had less "real" than an acoustic song and the emotions that may bring. If anything, you could argue it's more impressive because it wasn't packaged in an 'obvious' way, i.e. an acoustic ballad.
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I totally agree with her.
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Member Since: 9/28/2011
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Originally posted by DvnR
Only Gaga could make such a modest statement and get 20 pages of replies |
Most of the people are not discussing what Gaga said, they're comparing the values, qualities and differences between Electronic and acoustic music.
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
You also need time to make an acoustic album. The time to learn the instruments effectively, and the time to know how to evoke spirit in the sound of it.
Electronic music is technical but its also icy. I haven't heard a warm electronic song, but with acoustic you have no choice but too. However, I do agree that no music form is better than the other, they serve difference purposes.
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Go on songza, they have whole playlists dedicated to warm synth sounds. 
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Member Since: 4/3/2012
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The thing is electronic music can be created by man even without a talented singer and her comments kind of reflect that to a point even if she didn't mean to. Everybody doing this "technical" dance pop sounds alike these days because of all the mechanics in it from BTS.
It's almost like comparing a impressive robot to natural wonders.
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Member Since: 4/21/2011
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Originally posted by dannylex
Most of the people are not discussing what Gaga said, they're comparing the values, qualities and differences between Electronic and acoustic music.
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Over Gaga's words tho 
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Member Since: 4/3/2012
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Every genre and every style of music has the same possibilities. Instruments and computers are nothing more than tools of artists creativity. It really depends on the artist what he/she will make out of it.
But Gaga is not doing good, in my opinion.
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Except in style and having some more natural singing talent than Katy and Rihanna, there isn't much difference in her sound and everybody else's sound. I think you can differentiate but there just isn't much differentiation out there today.
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