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Celeb News: Beyonce Is The Greatest Diva Of All Time
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Originally posted by -Alfie-
Name me (not just you, anyone here) someone that would be considered a greater diva than Beyonce someone who can KEEP up. Someone who can sing, dance, perform, produce, write, stay on the charts, take care of her physical image, venture into films, have those films be successful, do the right actions and not do the wrong ones, keep a good image, someone who releases statement songs, someone who has longevity like her and other things. Someone who has done ALL those things. When you do, we'll look further down at each category and who triumphs where.
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I can't think of anyone.
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No creative control? Because everyone who worked with her on that album says otherwise, so what we don't take the word of producers, writers, and all other artists involved now......just cause you can't seem to fathom Rihanna have creative control.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
Alfie's just repeating what I told you Sats.
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Hee hee I really don't want to read the ALL these pages that BEYONCE's name has pawned.
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Originally posted by Satellites
But, do they have the complete package, or are they just a singer who stands on a stage with a mic? This man tried to explain that she is EVERYTHING and not just one which puts her ahead. I wish his title would have been The Greatest Entertainer Of All Time or something similar.
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I feel that the people I'm thinking of have the complete package, and are artists that I would classify as true entertainers alongside Beyonce. Madonna has worked tirelessly throughout her career to give us a total package. There's no half-assing in her world, and while you might make the point that she lacks Beyonce's musical talents, she delivers marries her intended message with stage presence and full-on performances in such an effective manner that makes her an all-around amazing performer. The same can be said for Lady Gaga. They are both entertainers in the same sense that Beyonce is an entertainer.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
While she may not be the first or only to do it I think the point in the article is that she's the greatest at it.
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And I would still have to disagree for all the reasons I shared in my first post.
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Originally posted by -Alfie-
See what's legendary about her is that she is not going that route, she is standing on her own and apart from others since she everyone is all looney and so on, in this world infested with people like that, it will be much easier for her to stand out. Yeah right now you can love all the controversy, but in the long term she will be known for her professionalism and one of the only if not only successful artists out right now who don't have a record of history of such actions.
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It depends. . .It COULD be better in the long run if you compare Britney and Beyonce but Madonna is living proof that you can still have longevity even with all the controversy. It's all about RE-INVENTION. . .Controversy and Gimmicks can only take you so far which is why Gaga might not stick around as long as some think and why Britney *MIGHT* not have much longer to go. Beyonce can have a stable career but she has to establish some sort of persona or something with DEPTH or EDGE. .
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I hate to bring in the race card here, and anyone from BWBoard will tell you that I'm not one to being it out just for the hell of it but by the standards that society has imposed, a black female can not afford to to do all these crazy things and expect to have the same reaction. If Beyonce were to do not even one 10th of what Britney or Madonna have done, she would be judged like no other. First off because of how big she is. Then Because sh is a female. Then because she is a minority.
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This is debatable. I look at somebody like Rihanna and some of the **** she has done with the Nude pics/Crazy costumes/Etc and I think it IS possible for black celebrities to go through it. ..Not to mention Janet dabbled in more things like that back in the 90s and got away with it. You could also debate how Rihanna gets away with putting on Mediocre-Bad performances while Britney Spears will gets thrashed for the the Exact same thing, No?
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Now through her work (Songs like "If I Were A Boy", "Single Ladies", "Why Don't You Love Me", all which are written in the perspective where she is already in command, she is not begging anymore, she's commanding) and what she does do and doesn't do she is reinforcing that even more. Released songs that no one would dare release or they are not able to do so.
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LOL. Besides WDYLM [Which wasnt released], Those songs arent really anything to be remotely afraid to release. . .Its not as if the topic matter of a song matters as much as the SOUND of a song does and IIWAB and SL were easy commercial hits.
I do have a certain level of Respect for her though, Just for being strictly professional about her Biz. . .It has its Pros and Cons.
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Alfie, don't get too aggressive on Pat.
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Originally posted by Hi.Ðefinitiøn
Well he needs to swing it over my way.
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Originally posted by Patrick
And I would still have to disagree for all the reasons I shared in my first post.
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Yes, I understand.
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The creative control came from those writers and producers. All Rihanna was go in, lay down the vocals, and then have the producers correct any pitch mistakes. You're giving her far too much credit.
From her edgy fashion that comes from her stylist who never gets the credit to all the creative and artistic control that comes from her team.
She didn't even write her risk taking first single for Pete's sake. Where is the creative and artistic control?
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Originally posted by -Alfie-
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I'll be on BW this weekend. Be prepared for me.
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Originally posted by -Alfie-
Oh so now you change you original questioning?
No she is not the first nor the one doing it alone. That's an obvious given, but she is the one that is doing the best job at doing so. And "greatest" is a comparison, so it doesn't matter if she did or not, she is the one that is doing it better than the rest. Beyonce is so much bigger than just her beauty, her talent and her brain. It's all 3 of them together that give her that edge.
Lets play a knockdown game. Well name diva's that meet ALL the requirements. Name me (not just you, anyone here) someone that would be considered a greater diva than Beyonce someone who can KEEP up. (So please no Kesha, Taylor and Rhianna, that's an insult to Bey) Someone who can sing, dance, perform, produce, write, stay on the charts, take care of her physical image, venture into films, have those films be successful, do the right actions and not do the wrong ones, keep a good image, someone who releases statement songs, someone who has longevity like her and has achieved this level at such a fast age and other things. Someone who has done ALL those things, If they miss something then they obviously are not a greater Diva than Beyonce since just the fact that she has that over them she automatically wins. When you do, we'll look further down at each category and who triumphs where.
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Madonna.
The only areas where I give Beyonce the edge in our "knockdown game" would be vocal talents, dancing, film work and keeping a good image ( ).
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Originally posted by Patrick
I feel that the people I'm thinking of have the complete package, and are artists that I would classify as true entertainers alongside Beyonce. Madonna has worked tirelessly throughout her career to give us a total package. There's no half-assing in her world, and while you might make the point that she lacks Beyonce's musical talents, she delivers marries her intended message with stage presence and full-on performances in such an effective manner that makes her an all-around amazing performer. The same can be said for Lady Gaga. They are both entertainers in the same sense that Beyonce is an entertainer.
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Madonna is understandable because I guess one would argue that where lacks talent wise, Beyonce lacks music wise, is that it? But even then Beyonce still performs, dances, and manages her overall career better.
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Originally posted by Goon#dock
It depends. . .It COULD be better in the long run if you compare Britney and Beyonce but Madonna is living proof that you can still have longevity even with all the controversy. It's all about RE-INVENTION. . .Controversy and Gimmicks can only take you so far which is why Gaga might not stick around as long as some think and why Britney *MIGHT* not have much longer to go. Beyonce can have a stable career but she has to establish some sort of persona or something with DEPTH or EDGE. .
This is debatable. I look at somebody like Rihanna and some of the **** she has done with the Nude pics/Crazy costumes/Etc and I think it IS possible for black celebrities to go through it. ..Not to mention Janet dabbled in more things like that back in the 90s and got away with it. You could also debate how Rihanna gets away with putting on Mediocre-Bad performances while Britney Spears will gets thrashed for the the Exact same thing, No?
LOL. Besides WDYLM [Which wasnt released], Those songs arent really anything to be remotely afraid to release. . .Its not as if the topic matter of a song matters as much as the SOUND of a song does and IIWAB and SL were easy commercial hits.
I do agree with you about having a certain level of Respect for her for being strictly professional about her Biz and not resorting to gimmickery for her success like most of the artists in the industry are doing now though. . .
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Madonna is an exception but not the rule. How many gimmick artists come and go in that time?
Ok Rihanna has done those things, but does she have the same level of RESPECT as Beyonce does?
Both Britney and Rihanna give ****** performances so it's much easier to to dismiss something as opposed to praise it so the vice versa theory does not work here.
Ok who else could have released IIWAB and be successful? SL is an instant hit, but not just anyone can be as DEMANDING and have people hear what she has to say? It's easy to label something as instant hits since they were. Give the songs to someone else, would they really be an instant hit and more, have the influence that they did?
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
Alfie, don't get too aggressive on Pat.
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Hush, Alfie is like BW's own Patrick and this should be insightful.
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Originally posted by Hi.Ðefinitiøn
I'll be on BW this weekend. Be prepared for me.
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Sit.
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Originally posted by Patrick
Madonna.
The only areas where I give Beyonce the edge in our "knockdown game" would be vocal talents, dancing, film work and keeping a good image ( ).
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Patrick that's a lot.
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Originally posted by Hi.Ðefinitiøn
I'll be on BW this weekend. Be prepared for me.
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I'm no slore. Why would I? Give me a legitimate reason to do so?
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Originally posted by Satellites
Hush, Alfie is like BW's own Patrick and this should be insightful.
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You better have a damn good reason to make that comparison.
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Originally posted by Satellites
Sit.
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