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Discussion: Janet vs Madonna, Beyonce vs Lady GaGa
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
The point I was making is that in order for a singer to be remembered for generations, they need to be a multiple threat. It's not just about the music but the persona as well. Michael didn't have an aggressive personality, but his behavior, mannerisms, attitude were especially unique. Janet's shy girl-next-door persona wasn't.
Beyonce doesn't take many risks, that is true, but she also never appears half-conscious like Janet so often does. She seems vital and sexy and carries herself professionally.
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No, people remember artists by their impact in music, their success, drama etc... not by their personality. I seriously doubt people remember those artists due to their personality. I think the general public could care less about most of that.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
The point I was making is that in order for a singer to be remembered for generations, they need to be a multiple threat. It's not just about the music but the persona as well. Michael didn't have an aggressive personality, but his behavior, mannerisms, attitude were especially unique. Janet's shy girl-next-door persona wasn't.
Beyonce doesn't take many risks, that is true, but she also never appears half-conscious like Janet so often does. She seems vital and sexy and carries herself professionally.
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Eh. I know Janet won't be as remembered as MJ or Madge, but I don't think it's really because of her personality. It's because she has been the underdog throughout her career.
I don't think there is anything interesting about Beyonce's 'real' personality (nor Janet's) though. I'm not convinced that that is the reason you think she'll be more impactful.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
No, people remember artists by their impact in music, their success, drama etc... not by their personality. I seriously doubt people remember those artists due to their personality. I think the general public could care less about most of that.
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It's ignorant to think personality doesn't play a large factor.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
It's ignorant to think personality doesn't play a large factor.
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I think it's ignorant to think that it's the main reason icons/legends are remembered. I don't think it plays no factor at all (though I think it plays a TINY role), but I certainly do not think it's the do or die factor for Janet or any artist to be remembered. The music and overall impact play more of a role than personas we don't even know are real.
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Originally posted by ashuduff
Eli's a great, a far better one stan; strong, smart & affectionate. Although why he stans for Susan Boyle now is beyond me.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
1. The true masterminds behind Janet and Madonna's biggest hits were Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis and Stephen Bray & Patrick Leonard. I stan hard for these ladies but I'll be the first to admit they received WAY too much credit for other people's genius. Janet's legacy will be her dancing and her videos. Madonna's will be her videos and her antics. To Madonna's credit though, she knew when to cut Bray & Leonard loose and challenge herself creatively. Janet got too complacent with JJ & TL and she made herself obsolete.
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And the same thing happened with Shep Pettibone, Stuart Price and recently William Orbit (again!) when she said NO to some demos he did for her.
And that's one of the greatest things about her... she's always hungry and constantly searching.
Some people may think she's a bitch for this. That she's just using people.
I think that she knows EXACTLY what she wants... she's determined and she don't stop until she get her gold, dream, vision whatever. That's why she stayed for so long.
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Originally posted by YaDiYa
beyoncé ? You have to be kidding. whoever says beyoncé is #1 will be B****slapped. i could write an entire book about her fake a**..
First of all, she has dumb lyrics, let's face it. what she sings is entire soups. she have some dumb bubblegum meaningless lyrics with NO SUBSTANCE . and the worst part is that she didnt write it most of the time.
Now 2. The voice. Her voice is okay, she worked on it but not exceptionnal. she only good for doing melismas but oversings & screams most of the time (just like Aguilera).
Now 3. Beyoncé songs are soooooo generic. all of her songs are déjŕ vu. She has ZERO originality and ZERO creativity. she's so insecure that she needs to rip off the songs of succesfull artists (halo=leona) or in this time of "edgyness" (started by Gaga), she needed to pick out some swag from flop & forgotten artist like Kelis (Diva, Videophone=aw ****, bossy..) and blame her "undiscovored crazy self" on her "sasha fierce" alter ego[when she has zero personality lmao]. let's not even talk about her stealing people's songs.
NOW 4. beyoncé is pathological swaggajacker, not only musically but also the look. During the DIL era, she copycated to the max JLO and ashanti (who were at their top)[+blast from the past: Diana ross mode].same poses, same clothes...then in the BDAY era she started to wiggle around like an epilepsic. and changed that straight blonde weave to a frizzy blonde weave on.(tryna be shakira boo?).. this is when Shakira was at the top of her game with the HDL worldwilde hit. then came miss beyoncé and said "i love shakira i wanna do a duet with her" "i want to sing in spanish" "i would love to be latina".[+ blast from the past: Tina turner Mode]
and then the IA...SF era, where lil b showed to the world her "alter ego" (LMAO). she changed her weave to the pompadour style, wore weird make up & clothes [ a sweetheart trying to be fierce Wheretheydothatat?]. Guess what? it happens when lady gaga is at the top of her game and guess what again? B wanted to make a duet again!
and for single singles ladies (bob fosse ripoff) she wanted to make a viral "aerobic dance".(she "get the idea" from crank dat)
Question: Why did she make duets with the B**tches of the moment? because she wants attention, but in the same way, scared to lose her shine, and so she got a constant need to steal the spotlight.[plus we know she love destroying female artists career] Beyoncé is mentally challenged, she thinks thats shes in a competition.Music is not sports baby!
5. it kills me when her stans says that SHE CAN DANCE AND SING AT THE SAME TIME! shes only one.
EXCUSE ME? LMAO beyoncé only "back pops" and not booty pops, and gyrates around like a psycho.SHES MEDIOCRE, an amateur. Shes not flexible and the only thing she can do is the crab ROFLCOPTER.she has never been athletic in the first place. Shes no way near semi professionals like ciara or britney.(yeah stans and their redundant predictable comebacks: they cant sing).so lets see beyoncé doing ciara or britneys move (if she can ahaha). She will not sound the same! next.
What kills me more: Beyoncé is the only one singer who can sing live better than in studio. LMAO she barely do high and long notes in the studio albums. ITS ON PURPOSE!
beyoncé represents for me a recycle bin of all the female artists around. im enough with her.
My fav between all listed is Janet. Michael created pop music, she popularized it with the help of Madonna, but Janet is more innovative than her. Janet mixed New Jack, r&b, soul.. and that created a unique sound (control, rythym nation...), she started trends while Madonna follows them [about what is hot at the moment. (Rnb album, dance album, Urban pop..)].Plus janet is more deep lyrically even tho, madonna is cool too.
Now lady gaga. i aprreciate her, she brings something fresh to the pop music (urban dance/dirty pop lol).But the Character is a NO NO. for me shes ACTING. shes not CRAZY and all, this is just attention w****ring!
all that pseudo extravaganza isnt new (cause most people think she created her excentric look). This has been seen in the 80s (Grace jones,Desireless, boy george,...), and in the 00s (Kelis, Peaches, sonique..). But those people arent acting theyre really crazy LMAO and they are FLOPS!
Rihanna, shes cool but too manufactured for me. she does what they tell her what she must do.
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This essay needs to be in MLA format with a bibliography attached.
Turn it in to me at the start of class. Any later and it's 10 points off.
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Her updated receipts have been posted on UKMIX and they have yet to be posted here. I wonder why.
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Originally posted by Satellites
I could write you an ENTIRE list on the many ways she has eclipsed Janet.
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1. I wish the people in your avatar would kiss better. They look too darn sloppy.
2. She may have eclipsed Janet in the 00s, but this is Janet's third decade in the music industry and Beyonce's first (I'll ignore Destiny's Child since they only really blew up in the late 90s). Janet's star rose steadily for the first two decades and peaked in the early-mid 90s and began to fade in the late 90s. She made a remarkable comeback in the early 00s but has been on a decline since.
Beyonce's star has been rising steadily this decade, but who knows what will happen next? The point is, they are artists from two different eras and they cannot be compared. Do you understand me Satellites? Beyonce is like some new kid on the **** block who's got a couple of hits, but Janet's like Sean Cody; been doing it for 30 years.
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Originally posted by ashuduff
1. I wish the people in your avatar would kiss better. They look too darn sloppy.
2. She may have eclipsed Janet in the 00s, but this is Janet's third decade in the music industry and Beyonce's first (I'll ignore Destiny's Child since they only really blew up in the late 90s). Janet's star rose steadily for the first two decades and peaked in the early-mid 90s and began to fade in the late 90s. She made a remarkable comeback in the early 00s but has been on a decline since.
Beyonce's star has been rising steadily this decade, but who knows what will happen next? The point is, they are artists from two different eras and they cannot be compared. Do you understand me Satellites? Beyonce is like some new kid on the **** block who's got a couple of hits, but Janet's like Sean Cody; been doing it for 30 years.
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Too bad in those only 7 years in the industry Beyonce's been snatching wigs and sending hoes into retirement she earned more respect, achievements, dough than Janet in her entire lifetime. No, will you excuse me
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Originally posted by Da beezness!
Too bad in those only 7 years in the industry Beyonce's been snatching wigs and sending hoes into retirement she earned more respect, achievements, dough than Janet in her entire lifetime. No, will you excuse me
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As far as I know, Janet is the #3 richest female singer worldwide, only behind Madonna and Cher.
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Originally posted by ashuduff
1. I wish the people in your avatar would kiss better. They look too darn sloppy.
2. She may have eclipsed Janet in the 00s, but this is Janet's third decade in the music industry and Beyonce's first (I'll ignore Destiny's Child since they only really blew up in the late 90s). Janet's star rose steadily for the first two decades and peaked in the early-mid 90s and began to fade in the late 90s. She made a remarkable comeback in the early 00s but has been on a decline since.
Beyonce's star has been rising steadily this decade, but who knows what will happen next? The point is, they are artists from two different eras and they cannot be compared. Do you understand me Satellites? Beyonce is like some new kid on the **** block who's got a couple of hits, but Janet's like Sean Cody; been doing it for 30 years.
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and it was harder for any artist to make a #1 back then. and the level was HIGHER.
Now when i see the billboard charts i see non talents peeking at the top 10 every week.
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Originally posted by Da beezness!
Too bad in those only 7 years in the industry Beyonce's been snatching wigs and sending hoes into retirement she earned more respect, achievements, dough than Janet in her entire lifetime. No, will you excuse me
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Janet slays beyoncé musically and lyrically.We all know that.
And you all always give the cheapest arguments : shes getting money, she has more than 10 grammy. and blah blah blah.
Beyoncé is the antichrist of music. she doesnt write nor produce anything. Janet is a trendsetter and have what we call Creativity if not originality. Beyoncé in the other hand, is not smart, doesnt have common sense and has no culture. this is the price of being always confined in her hotel rooms and not reading books., while janet travel throught the word and has an open mindset, listen to world music, visit others culture. Last time beyoncé tried, she was backlashed by the well known Dr Hawass who called her dumb.
her music is reflective as her delusional stan.
QUANTITY DOES NOT MAKE THE QUALITY.
she could sell millions but she would never be higly critically acclaimed. and being talented is about the quality not the quantity(only for low minded persons).
Janet has her unique style while the insecure bey is a mix of all the females around. it says a lot. enuff said.
Janet > Beyoncé all day not only a subjective view but an objective aswell.
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Janet Jackson was lucky her brother was the Michael Jackson. She got a couple hits, sold some albums, but Beyoncé achieved all this solo. She worked so hard to get in Destiny's Child. Look where Beyoncé came from, and look where Janet comes from. Beyoncé slays Janet in every single view, and you.will.have.to.deal.with.that.
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Originally posted by Golden Trigger
Janet Jackson was lucky her brother was the Michael Jackson. She got a couple hits, sold some albums, but Beyoncé achieved all this solo. She worked so hard to get in Destiny's Child. Look where Beyoncé came from, and look where Janet comes from. Beyoncé slays Janet in every single view, and you.will.have.to.deal.with.that.
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she was with destiny's child...
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Originally posted by Golden Trigger
Janet Jackson was lucky her brother was the Michael Jackson. She got a couple hits, sold some albums, but Beyoncé achieved all this solo. She worked so hard to get in Destiny's Child. Look where Beyoncé came from, and look where Janet comes from. Beyoncé slays Janet in every single view, and you.will.have.to.deal.with.that.
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Janet had more than a "couple" of hits and sold more than "some" albums. Janet has 10 #1s and several top 10, top 20 and top 40 hits worldwide. Not to mention, she is among some of the top selling female artists of all time. I think Janet's last name had some effect on her success but definitely not all. If I'm not mistaken, Janet's first two albums flopped when Michael was at his peak, but Janet became more relevant than Michael throughout the 90s and early part of last decade. Plus, after Michael, Janet is the most successful Jackson to ever walk this industry. Where is Jermaine's success? Rebbie's? LaToya's? I think people are falsely mistaken to think Janet is only respected or successful because of Michael given all the points I just mentioned.
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Originally posted by Golden Trigger
Janet Jackson was lucky her brother was the Michael Jackson. She got a couple hits, sold some albums, but Beyoncé achieved all this solo. She worked so hard to get in Destiny's Child. Look where Beyoncé came from, and look where Janet comes from. Beyoncé slays Janet in every single view, and you.will.have.to.deal.with.that.
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Worked hard to get in DC? LMAO her dad was their manager/ mom was their stylist. this is what i call working so hard LMAO. they throwed L&L out of the group because they wanted to impose their voice in DC. cause it was all about beyoncé. LMAO . So it was predictable that DC was just to launch beyoncé solo career... Like i said u cant compare teen bubblegum ish with deep and meaningfull ish. Beyoncé is not smart, so are her music and her fans.
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