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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Chanel.
If he runs, he's legitimately crazy. It's OCTOBER.
He's only going to hurt both Bernie and Hillary, and then lose the nomination.  |
Yeah, the media were excited for him b/c they were scared for Hilary but I saw some focus groups of undecided Dems and no one was really excited for him.
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Originally posted by Zayn Malik
Can someone give me some points on why Bernie shouldn't be the Democratic candidate?
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Because he's a socialist that
1) will never get things done under a Republican-run legislature
2) wants a social revolution
3) only bangs on about holding wall street accountable without a feasible plan of doing so
4) and supports the NRA. The NRA.
Also, I consider myself firmly a social liberal, but Hillary advocates much of what Sanders does but to a controlled, achievable and respectable degree. Sanders is too far left.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Biden is not going to run. It is too late. He missed the first debate.
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I don't need the chaos of Biden announcing a campaign this late. The Democrats don't need it, and after his failure to announce by the first debate he's dropping sharply in polls. If an announcement is coming for sure, it better be a "no, I'm a rational man who is still grieving his son and realizes that a campaign would drastically alter the dynamic of the election just three and a half months before the Iowa caucus." Like Joe, bud, I love you, and I will forever cherish those moments in your VP debate - but I'll be so pissed of you try to run.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Radiance
Because he's a socialist that
1) will never get things done under a Republican-run legislature
2) wants a social revolution
3) only bangs on about holding wall street accountable without a feasible plan of doing so
4) and supports the NRA. The NRA.
Also, I consider myself firmly a social liberal, but Hillary advocates much of what Sanders does but to a controlled, achievable and respectable degree. Sanders is too far left.
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It's unfair to say Sanders supports the NRA when he most certainly does not. He's more centrist on gun control, yes, but he definitely isn't some nut.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Chanel.
Based on the fact that we know some of that classified material was not classified at the time that she received it and some was moved outside the federal sphere before it came back to her. In both cases, she is not at all responsible. Furthermore these laws aren't as cut-and-dry as some claim. Even more notable is the fact that an indictment in this case of grey areas and if-then statements would be a monumental waste of money and resources, would not likely lead to a conviction on any felony charge, and would drag on for potentially years.
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It does not legally have to be marked classified to lead to indictment, and some the emails found were classified when sent regardless of markings (the North Korea satellite images). So no, she will be held responsible.
Edit: And I'm pretty sure having a private server is a direct violation of enforceable federal law. Not just having a private email address.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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 the little bernies are MAD I'm gonna get my life from Facebook today.
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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How on earth will Biden win the democratic nomination? Offers nothing new to the Clinton/Sanders clash, and will just stick the White House line. Don't we already know (from 8 years of VP) that he's the type to never achieve a thing?
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
It does not legally have to be marked classified to lead to indictment, and some the emails found were classified when sent regardless of markings (the North Korea satellite images). So no, she will be held responsible.
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I'm not talking about that crap Hill says about it being marked classified or whatever; I'm talking about the fact that it had to actually be classified at the time to be relevant, and more importantly that she can't be held responsible if said email or information left government hands and then came back to her (mostly I'm talking about Sid Blumenthal and his involvement).
An indictment is very, very unlikely - especially for a felony charge - if you look at all the info we have on the laws and emails. Not impossible, I will give you that - but I do not expect it to happen.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Edit: And I'm pretty sure having a private server is a direct violation of enforceable federal law. Not just having a private email address.
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It's definitely not, though. Even a private address qualifies as storing the information in a non-government location, just like a server, and it therefore should follow the same regulations from 2009-2013 as usin a regular address, which was clearly allowed at that time.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Giselle
Sources are saying its moved past "if" for Biden and is now a matter of "when". Some have even said an announcement could come in three days. |
I'd be fine with a Biden run. I actually thought it was too late for him to run, but three months is 1000 years in politics. SO much can change, i mean look @ the Repubs where the silver-spooned Bush is on the verge of polling zero. I don't like Hillary (I probably never will) and i hate the concept of a one horse race too.
(Bernie already showed that he's all style (read: screaming about Wall Street like its 2008) and no substance.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by Cheetos
the little bernies are MAD I'm gonna get my life from Facebook today. |
Let the Little Bernsters seethe. Better they accept defeat sooner rather than later when they could cause some real chaos at the convention
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Chanel.
I'm not talking about that crap Hill says about it being marked classified or whatever; I'm talking about the fact that it had to actually be classified at the time to be relevant, and more importantly that she can't be held responsible if said email or information left government hands and then came back to her (mostly I'm talking about Sid Blumenthal and his involvement).
An indictment is very, very unlikely - especially for a felony charge - if you look at all the info we have on the laws and emails. Not impossible, I will give you that - but I do not expect it to happen.
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Several of the emails were classified when sent, not just classified retroactively when she left office. Again, the North Korea satellite images were A) classified at the time; and B) never left the govt hands for obvious reasons. So she has already lost on those two fronts.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Clinton's resurgence in the polls show that even as a weakened candidate, she's still very powerful. She's gaining a sizable lead again in Iowa, is squeaking out a new lead in NH again, and has a 20+ point lead nationally. It's difficult to see a path where she would be defeated so late in the nominating contest.
Biden throwing his hat in would make it more interesting.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Several of the emails were classified when sent, not just classified retroactively when she left office. Again, the North Korea satellite images were A) classified at the time; and B) never left the govt hands for obvious reasons. So she has already lost on those two fronts.
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Then where is the indictment? Where is even the remote indication that the FBI intends to prosecute? The news today is that they've totally switched gears looking into a violation of the Espionage Act. If we somehow know for sure that these photos were classified at the time of sending and receipt and never left government hands, then certainly the FBI knows it. Or... They know more than us, and/or do not intend to prosecute.
I will donate a dollar to Bernie's campaign for every hour she spends in prison or jail, and I will donate a hundred dollars for every felony charge.
There will be no charges, no arrest, and no trial, let alone a conviction.
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Several of the emails were classified when sent, not just classified retroactively when she left office. Again, the North Korea satellite images were A) classified at the time; and B) never left the govt hands for obvious reasons. So she has already lost on those two fronts.
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Even if it is classified, good luck trying to enforce it on government officials at a time when the people want to know what is going on.
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If there was a real possibility of her being indicted, don't you think the media would be all over that?
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ATRL Senior Member
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Plus, the FBI isn't the body that will decide whether to seek indictment and trial anyway, so even if they want to... It's theoretically only a recommendation on their part.
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Hillary Clinton's campaign, which supports the only presidential candidate who can hit a respectable Nae Nae, apparently stopped by Jay Z's 40/40 Club and dropped a whopping 15 racks. Was she in there with Bill and her campaign team poppin Ace? Was Hova sitting next to her, smelling like dank? Was this all an orchestrated flex in Hill's ongoing efforts to appear cool and "hip"?
Additionally, Kanye reportedly contributed an unspecified donation to her campaign.
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