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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Saying it shouldn't be used to his disadvantage is like saying if two people go up for a job interview and Person A has a BA and Person B has an MA and Person A saying "I just didn't have the opportunity to get my Master's!" It's like, that sucks, but Person B DID have the opportunity to get their Masters and they have all the things that come with it.
Some people just have better resumes.
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just because you don't care about gay marriage doesn't mean it doesn't affect people's lives.  people start showing their colors when they get desperate
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Originally posted by Giselle
Saying it shouldn't be used to his disadvantage is like saying if two people go up for a job interview and Person A has a BA and Person B has an MA and Person A saying "I just didn't have the opportunity to get my Master's!" It's like, that sucks, but Person B DID have the opportunity to get their Masters and they have all the things that come with it.
Some people just have better resumes. |
But if that job doesn't require anything more than a high school diploma, the degrees are kinda pointless.
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Originally posted by Giselle
Saying it shouldn't be used to his disadvantage is like saying if two people go up for a job interview and Person A has a BA and Person B has an MA and Person A saying "I just didn't have the opportunity to get my Master's!" It's like, that sucks, but Person B DID have the opportunity to get their Masters and they have all the things that come with it.
Some people just have better resumes. |
And if that job was for Economics and Person B's Masters was in Geography, it really wouldn't matter.
Same thing here.
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Originally posted by ALIEN
just because you don't care about gay marriage doesn't mean it doesn't affect people's lives. people start showing their colors when they get desperate |
I AM gay... You're being sooo vein and narrow-minded to not realize that almost everyone above a certain age had to evolve on the issue. This is an awful criticism towards her.
Also, I have cared about same-sex marriage since I was a kid. Don't start.
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Originally posted by Giselle
Who cares? Gay marriage is irrelevant in the grand scheme (sorry, someone had to say it and it ain't high on my list) and she couldn't speak on it from '09-'12. She's advocated for gays for years, from fighting for gays to be able to adopt back in 2000 to speaking to world leaders about LGBT rights as Secretary of State.
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Oh, so it becomes irrelevant only when it suits your argument. 
But alright, let's say marriage itself is irrelevant. The fact that she wasn't public about her support until three years ago, once it became politically convenient, is troubling.
...now let's see how you flip this in her favor. 
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Originally posted by Bloo
I AM gay... You're being sooo vein and narrow-minded to not realize that almost everyone above a certain age had to evolve on the issue. This is an awful criticism towards her.
Also, I have cared about same-sex marriage since I was a kid. Don't start.
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This is what he's talking about
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Originally posted by Giselle
Gay marriage is irrelevant in the grand scheme (sorry, someone had to say it and it ain't high on my list)
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
Oh, so it becomes irrelevant only when it suits your argument.
But alright, let's say marriage itself is irrelevant. The fact that she wasn't public about her support until three years ago, once it became politically convenient, is troubling.
...now let's see how you flip this in her favor. |
I already just gave you receipts that's not true. She was in support of it way before 2013
edit: meant before 2013 and posted a 2011 video
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
Oh, so it becomes irrelevant only when it suits your argument.
But alright, let's say marriage itself is irrelevant. The fact that she wasn't public about her support until three years ago, once it became politically convenient, is troubling.
...now let's see how you flip this in her favor.
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Not a single Hillary supporter (in this thread) has ever attacked Bernie for not supporting same-sex marriage at a point... So how is that making this issue irrelevant to fit our argument?
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Originally posted by Sasha.
It'd be a valid argument if the president's sole responsibility were women issues around the world but... It's not. An added bonus, sure, and I guess it all comes down to what's more important to you in a future president.
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Well yeah, I do care a lot more about the humanity of people around the world than "breaking up the big banks!" It's not "just women's issues" (as if that's a side project or minor important thing), she's just done a LOT of important work around the world. In climate, in women's issues, in security, in agriculture. It's much more than added bonus, it is an entire new world of issues and knowledge. And say what you want, but I DO find it alarming and questionable when someone it's concerned about a candidate's stance on global affairs. My President has to be a global player, sorry.
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Originally posted by Bloo
I AM gay... You're being sooo vein and narrow-minded to not realize that almost everyone above a certain age had to evolve on the issue. This is an awful criticism towards her.
Also, I have cared about same-sex marriage since I was a kid. Don't start.
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the comment wasn't directed to you, it was for Giselle, but thanks for your input!
...... how does the saying go, about a dog that hollers? 
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Originally posted by Marvin
And if that job was for Economics and Person B's Masters was in Geography, it really wouldn't matter.
Same thing here.
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And if only being President was only about economics (which Hillary has a much better understanding of, given all of her work WW), which you're using as a codeword for banks and free college
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Originally posted by Giselle
And if only being President was only about economics (which Hillary has a much better understanding of, given all of her work WW), which you're using as a codeword for banks and free college |
That wasn't the point he was trying to make 
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Originally posted by Giselle
And if only being President was only about economics (which Hillary has a much better understanding of, given all of her work WW), which you're using as a codeword for banks and free college |
I'm not but okay
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
Oh, so it becomes irrelevant only when it suits your argument.
But alright, let's say marriage itself is irrelevant. The fact that she wasn't public about her support until three years ago, once it became politically convenient, is troubling.
...now let's see how you flip this in her favor. |
As I've said, she could not speak on gay marriage between 2009 & 2012. The moment she could, she did.
And long before that, she was advocating for (more important) gay rights issues. So, again, I don't care.
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Originally posted by Sasha.
That wasn't the point he was trying to make |
So what was the point he was trying to make?
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Originally posted by Giselle
As I've said, she could not speak on gay marriage between 2009 & 2012. The moment she could, she did.
And long before that, she was advocating for (more important) gay rights issues. So, again, I don't care.
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why couldn't she? who put a gun to her head? 
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Okay, listen I am sick of the f****** bull****... I am sick of hearing that us Hillary fans are "nervous".. It's time to get one issue out of the way now, because like it or note, we will all have to cope and deal with it. I am by no means telling Bernie supporters that they need to stop having faith or anything like that, but what I am going to tell you is what is going to unfold as the month progresses and hopefully everyone understands.
Bernie's latest hot streak was PREDICTED, in fact both pollsters and Hillary supporters knew that it was coming. Bernie has a strong group of young supporters, dedicated to attending rallies, caucusing & vice versa. He is also a very Liberal candidate and not only have these last few states held caucuses, but many of the states have high liberal populations and younger people who are willing to get out and caucus. Hillary supporters are proven to be older (not to use this as an excuse) but its true. What 70 year old is going to go stand and caucus for hours? Not a lot... We know why Bernie did so well in these caucus states and this was expected. Of course the media blew it up, but they had to... Hillary can't always be winning as much as all of her supporters like to think.
Guess what, if CNN doesn't have a tight Democratic race, where are the ratings going to come from (w/ the exception being the Rep. party circus)?? The media knows what the outcome is going to be, political experts know what the outcome of this race is going to be and so do mathematicians. It was known in 2008 and it is known now in 2016....
New York may be tight, but Hillary will likely come on top.... Bernie will argue "we were so close, it was an even race".... whatever. The race will continue into the 26th of April and Hillary will do very will in Maryland, Deleware and Pennsylvania (all potential sweeps) and they will likely keep it close in Connecticut and Rhode Island. After the 26th, this will be done. The media can say what it wants, Bernie supporters can argue "we still have California" and keep dreams alive, but the 26th will be the end. I am not saying this to be mean, offensive or to try and hurt anyone's feelings--but to be honest and blunt this month will mark the end of the race (mathematically).
Bernie and Hillary will split delegates in California and he may even win (like Hillary did in 2008), but Hillary will have likely amassed a lead of 300+ delegates and this will only chip so much into that. She will have more than 4 million votes that Bernie and will become the nominee at the convention,
Although none of this is official, feel free to bookmark me, call me out, scream at me or whatever... But this is what I believe is going to happen. It's time for us to start coming together, because whether you like it or not--Hillary is going to be the party's nominee.
Just like I would support Bernie if he were in Hillary's position, I'd hope that Bernie supporters will do the same for Hillary.
That is all.
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Originally posted by ALIEN
why couldn't she? who put a gun to her head? |
Uh, as the head of foreign affairs, she was not allowed to speak on domestic policy matters
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Y'all stay ignoring receipts
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