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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Damien M
Hillary isn't Obama though. Not even close.
Obama was a super campaigner, and he could read the mood of the electorate like no other. Hillary says stuff like "I'm going to put coal miners out of business" and then loses entire states 
Also, "polls mean nothing right now" is such a Republican circa Sept 2015 thing to say.  |
No she's not Obama. She's Hillary Clinton. The first woman to represent a major party in a presidential election who has the experience to be president and that said Obama coalition behind her.
That's not what she said, and those people who think she did did not do their research. And she was going to lose those places anyway. They vote Republican anyway, and they only voted for Bernie to try to stop her from getting the nomination because they know the threat of her running against their preferred candidate, Trump.
Polls don't mean much when one of the likely nominees is still battling for such nomination while the other has begun healing his party.
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Member Since: 6/17/2011
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This isn't a minority issue based election year this an economic/job year. The fact Trump had literally created jobs is such a benefit especially in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania. Hillary shot herself in the foot with that coal miner comment. That will be brought up a lot.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Istan4R
This isn't a minority issue based election year this an economic/job year. The fact Trump had literally created jobs is such a benefit especially in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania. Hillary shot herself in the foot with that coal miner comment. That will be brought up a lot.
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She's not losing any of the three. Bet. Especially Wisconsin. Trump's best bet of the three is Ohio.
And yes this is an economic/job year. The economy is doing good right now, and Obama's job approval is very healthy. So Trump's argument that we've worse off right now than previous years and that Obama is incompetent brings out a lot of people, but it also alienates people as well.
Hillary and Trump both have advantages and disadvantages, but his record of creating jobs is being disputed as we speak.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Istan4R
This isn't a minority issue based election year this an economic/job year. The fact Trump had literally created jobs is such a benefit especially in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania. Hillary shot herself in the foot with that coal miner comment. That will be brought up a lot.
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She will win Wisconsin and Pennsylvania (and likely, Ohio) - he can take PA/OH for all we care and still lose.
Edit: whoops, Maxx beat me to it.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Damien M
Facts and numbers = they're tied/he's closed the gap in almost all the polls released last week (which everyone in this thread dismissed like the echo chamber it's becoming)
Hillary Clinton is not this universally loved figure. The fact that she's polling this close to a racist idiot should concern anyone.
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Sorry but that's false and I provided the link on the last page to prove it
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Istan4R
This isn't a minority issue based election year this an economic/job year. The fact Trump had literally created jobs is such a benefit especially in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania. Hillary shot herself in the foot with that coal miner comment. That will be brought up a lot.
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Actually almost every single Democratic primary race was accurately predicted by demographics and there's not very much evidence that Trump would be conducive to job growth and also the coal comments were probably good for attracting environmentalist progressives and won't actually hurt her much since the coal industry is continuously dwindling
I'm not seeing the truth in this
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Is North Carolina still in play?
I keep reading how the public is getting more and more ticked off at McCrory for costing the state millions each month with the trans laws.
I also read Indiana's Governor could be ousted since their law is one of the least popular pieces of legislation in ages.
Please let it come true 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Is North Carolina still in play?
I keep reading how the public is getting more and more ticked off at McCrory for costing the state millions each month with the trans laws.
I also read Indiana's Governor could be ousted since their law is one of the least popular pieces of legislation in ages.
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Yes it is. It's one of the biggest swing states. Obama narrowly won it in 2008, and he narrowly lost it in 2012. I don't see how difficult it would be for her to get a win in against Trump.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Yes it is. It's one of the biggest swing states. Obama narrowly won it in 2008, and he narrowly lost it in 2012. I don't see how difficult it would be for her to get a win in against Trump.
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The whole Trump unpopular with minorites + Democrats seizing the moment to drag NC constantly for passing that trans law hopefully results in Hillary snatching it
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by Istan4R
This isn't a minority issue based election year this an economic/job year. The fact Trump had literally created jobs is such a benefit especially in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania. Hillary shot herself in the foot with that coal miner comment. That will be brought up a lot.
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Well when you look at the state of Florida that carries the most electoral votes for swing states, the "minority issue" becomes a big deal. If Hillary wins Florida (and she will) it puts Trump in a bad position. Just that one state alone makes Trump have to play catch up and he is not going to win all of those other swing states.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by LP54
Well when you look at the state of Florida that carries the most electoral votes for swing states, the "minority issue" becomes a big deal. If Hillary wins Florida (and she will) it puts Trump in a bad position. Just that one state alone makes Trump have to play catch up and he is not going to win all of those other swing states.
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If Secretary Clinton wins Florida, then there's absolutely no way donald could become president. (not that his chances are high even with Florida  )
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Realistically, Bernie and his supporters need to concede this primary. She's winning California and the race is pretty much over.
Removing the superdelegates, she's won in both pledged delegates and the popular vote. Bernie has done a lot for the party, and Hillary would be wise to consider him for a cabinet position, but it's time for the party to unite.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by King Maxx
No she's not Obama. She's Hillary Clinton. The first woman to represent a major party in a presidential election who has the experience to be president and that said Obama coalition behind her.
That's not what she said, and those people who think she did did not do their research. And she was going to lose those places anyway. They vote Republican anyway, and they only voted for Bernie to try to stop her from getting the nomination because they know the threat of her running against their preferred candidate, Trump.
Polls don't mean much when one of the likely nominees is still battling for such nomination while the other has begun healing his party.
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The Obama coalition was based on really high levels of black voter turnout tho. When you play with the sliders on those EC maps and adjust black turnout to its usual lower levels it all goes awry. Maybe Hispanics will show up and flip AZ (no kne needs any more votes in Cali)
And I don't see Hillary getting those levels of black turnout.
Let's be realistic though, the avg voter is low info. The "I'm going to put coal miners out of work" comment is a killer.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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What Donald said about fossil fuels and coal is so.... myopic 
Hillary can keep the jobless coal people fuming imo
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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I hope the #NeverHillary Bernsters see how Donald backed out of the debate basically because he "doesn't debate losers" and see that no, he is not their friend or someone to vote for over Hillary
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Been watching interviews with Bernie and I really like him. It's a shame he may not win. I really like his points and he comes across as a real person.
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Member Since: 9/20/2011
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People are doing way too much with this 'Trump is GOinG 2 WIN - w8 and SEE!'.
Like you aren't being clever, you aren't being edgy and you aren't being 'just realistic'.
It is still going to be extremely difficult for him to flip the required states when you factor in the demographics.
Yelling things like 'marketing genius', 'he PrOVED them wrong!!1!' and 'Hillary's TANKING!!' doesn't change that.
People getting all excited over a few polls in May before Hillary becomes the nominee is just embarrassing.
Keep those 12 followers of yours on twitter informed though with your 'astute' analysis I guess!!
Barring an indictment or another major scandal of that size, Hillary will probably win the required 270 in November, but we will wait and see...
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Mitch.
People are doing way too much with this 'Trump is GOinG 2 WIN - w8 and SEE!'.
Like you aren't being clever, you aren't being edgy and you aren't being 'just realistic'.
It is still going to be extremely difficult for him to flip the required states when you factor in the demographics.
Yelling things like 'marketing genius', 'he PrOVED them wrong!!1!' and 'Hillary's TANKING!!' doesn't change that.
People getting all excited over a few polls in May before Hillary becomes the nominee is just embarrassing.
Keep those 12 followers of yours on twitter informed though with your 'astute' analysis I guess!!
Barring an indictment or another major scandal of that size, Hillary will probably win the required 270 in November, but we will wait and see...
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Mitch scalping from across the ocean
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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One good thing that seems to have come out of this Trump/Bernie debate mess is that we're actually seeing some conflict between Bernsters and Trump supporters, rather than the #NeverHillary/#BernieorBust/Crooked Hillary/Shillary circle jerk that seemingly has the far right and the far left united
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Giselle
Did you actually read that before posting?
1. She says she wanted to arm Syrian rebels, not ISIS. Yes, the two are different 
2. She clearly says she wanted to arm the moderates, but Obama decided against it.
3. She has said that she feels the rebels were not trained properly and that if they went with her plan (because they didn't), it would've been a better policy move. |
1. At this point, I beg to differ.
2. There is no such thing as a moderate Syrian rebel. It's just a distinction Obama made up to cover his ass when Syrian rebels started beheading Christians, as the US was still shipping weapons.
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This is so ridiculous, read a couple posts above you so you actually learn her plan didn't take effect  |
That's not what I was talking about. I'm talking about Hillary authorising the shipment of weapons into Libya which ended up in the hands of extremists.
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Originally posted by Giselle
This is a very dense and irresponsible way of narrating things. Can you go into detail on why you feel like she armed ISIS? Or is it something you heard other people say and decided to repeat? |
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