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Discussion: Janet vs Madonna, Beyonce vs Lady GaGa
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Originally posted by BadBitchRihanna.
but that doesnt mean she won't be relevant in the next decade.. She's having alot of success for someone her age.
I can understand if you were saying this about Kesha,Katy,Ciara or Keri but Rihanna? She's already proven herself that she's more than capable of staying for a long time. People thought she was gonna be a one hit wonder and look what happened. 7 #1's , 3 grammys and 15 mil CD's sold later.
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Member Since: 9/30/2009
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Originally posted by Magniterrain
I love how Madonna stands up for her beliefs. It takes a lot of strength to be that controversial and have everyone in the world against you. It's so hard to choose because I love them both. But I guess...
my ranking - artist - fav song - fav albums (favs are subject to change)
1 - Madonna - Angel - Madonna / COADF / True Blue
2 - Janet - Come back to me - Dream Street / Control / All 4 you / 20 yo
3 - Beyonce - Flaws and All - *all of hers thus far*
4 - Lady GaGa - Eh Eh & Lovegame - *all hers thus far*
Bonuses - Mariah - Do you think of me - Daydream / Music box / Mariah Carey
- Whitney - Run to you - Whitney Houston / Whitney / I'm your Baby Tonight
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I forgot to mention that I'd stan for them all. And I love all their albums, including the ones not mentioned. Beyonce, GaGa, and Britney and Pink all have a long way to go before even being compared to Madonna or Janet. Madonna blazed trails, Janet had people fighting over tickets to her concerts. Both have longevity. the fact that they've been doing it since the early 1980s and are still being noted in 2010 shows how amazing they both are. It's tough to wonder who will still be talked about 20 years from now.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Duca
This reminds me of Britney and Beyoncé. Britney got lazy (it's in a way understandable after what she went through), but Beyoncé never ever stops. Britney has the advantage in sales over Beyoncé just like Madonna has over Janet though.
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Originally posted by ropeburn
3. Beyonce hasn't eclipsed Janet. Let's not be ridiculous. She may be more popular now being that she's TODAY'S artist and Janet's an 80's artist. But in no way has she or will she ever eclipse Janet.
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I could write you an ENTIRE list on the many ways she has eclipsed Janet.
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Member Since: 10/14/2008
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Originally posted by Satellites
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She's selling decently with ridiculous promotion. Have her promote like the old times, watch the digits, then start correcting Duces. Let's just wait.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Louie
She's selling decently with ridiculous promotion. Have her promote like the old times, watch the digits, then start correcting Duces. Let's just wait.
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Beyonce has been ahead since 2003 when Britney was promoting.
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Originally posted by Satellites
Beyonce has been ahead since 2003 when Britney was promoting.
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You're comparing Bey's debut with Britney's 4th album? That's like comparing IA...SF's sales with the album Britney's sales. Play unfair somewhere else, sugar. 
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It was Britney's 4th album and Beyoncé's first and they sold almost the same, the difference is only a million. 
And "In the Zone" was a more successful era worldwide (with 3 singles all peaking at #1) than "Dangerously In Love" (4 singles, peaking at #1, #3, #8 and #6 respectively) and had more success in the US actually too cause Britney's first three singles outsold Beyoncé's first three singles despite the fact that they peaked lower.
Crazy In Love #1 for eight weeks (outsold by "Toxic" [#9])
Baby Boy #1 for nine weeks (outsold by "Toxic" [#9] and "Everytime" [#15])
Me, Myself and I #4 (outsold by "Me Against The Music" [#35], "Toxic" [#9] and "Everytime" [#15])
Naughty Girl #3 (outsold by "Toxic" [#9])
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Member Since: 10/14/2008
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Oh, thank you Duces - always there with the receipts. 
You didn't have to though, the non-deluded already know.
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beyoncé ? You have to be kidding. whoever says beyoncé is #1 will be B****slapped. i could write an entire book about her fake a**..
First of all, she has dumb lyrics, let's face it. what she sings is entire soups. she have some dumb bubblegum meaningless lyrics with NO SUBSTANCE . and the worst part is that she didnt write it most of the time.
Now 2. The voice. Her voice is okay, she worked on it but not exceptionnal. she only good for doing melismas but oversings & screams most of the time (just like Aguilera).
Now 3. Beyoncé songs are soooooo generic. all of her songs are déjà vu. She has ZERO originality and ZERO creativity. she's so insecure that she needs to rip off the songs of succesfull artists (halo=leona) or in this time of "edgyness" (started by Gaga), she needed to pick out some swag from flop & forgotten artist like Kelis (Diva, Videophone=aw ****, bossy..) and blame her "undiscovored crazy self" on her "sasha fierce" alter ego[when she has zero personality lmao]. let's not even talk about her stealing people's songs.
NOW 4. beyoncé is pathological swaggajacker, not only musically but also the look. During the DIL era, she copycated to the max JLO and ashanti (who were at their top)[+blast from the past: Diana ross mode].same poses, same clothes...then in the BDAY era she started to wiggle around like an epilepsic. and changed that straight blonde weave to a frizzy blonde weave on.(tryna be shakira boo?).. this is when Shakira was at the top of her game with the HDL worldwilde hit. then came miss beyoncé and said "i love shakira i wanna do a duet with her" "i want to sing in spanish" "i would love to be latina".[+ blast from the past: Tina turner Mode]
and then the IA...SF era, where lil b showed to the world her "alter ego" (LMAO). she changed her weave to the pompadour style, wore weird make up & clothes [ a sweetheart trying to be fierce Wheretheydothatat?]. Guess what? it happens when lady gaga is at the top of her game and guess what again? B wanted to make a duet again!
and for single singles ladies (bob fosse ripoff) she wanted to make a viral "aerobic dance".(she "get the idea" from crank dat)
Question: Why did she make duets with the B**tches of the moment? because she wants attention, but in the same way, scared to lose her shine, and so she got a constant need to steal the spotlight.[plus we know she love destroying female artists career] Beyoncé is mentally challenged, she thinks thats shes in a competition.Music is not sports baby!
5. it kills me when her stans says that SHE CAN DANCE AND SING AT THE SAME TIME! shes only one.
EXCUSE ME? LMAO beyoncé only "back pops" and not booty pops, and gyrates around like a psycho.SHES MEDIOCRE, an amateur. Shes not flexible and the only thing she can do is the crab ROFLCOPTER.she has never been athletic in the first place. Shes no way near semi professionals like ciara or britney.(yeah stans and their redundant predictable comebacks: they cant sing).so lets see beyoncé doing ciara or britneys move (if she can ahaha). She will not sound the same! next.
What kills me more: Beyoncé is the only one singer who can sing live better than in studio. LMAO she barely do high and long notes in the studio albums. ITS ON PURPOSE!
beyoncé represents for me a recycle bin of all the female artists around. im enough with her.
My fav between all listed is Janet. Michael created pop music, she popularized it with the help of Madonna, but Janet is more innovative than her. Janet mixed New Jack, r&b, soul.. and that created a unique sound (control, rythym nation...), she started trends while Madonna follows them [about what is hot at the moment. (Rnb album, dance album, Urban pop..)].Plus janet is more deep lyrically even tho, madonna is cool too.
Now lady gaga. i aprreciate her, she brings something fresh to the pop music (urban dance/dirty pop lol).But the Character is a NO NO. for me shes ACTING. shes not CRAZY and all, this is just attention w****ring!
all that pseudo extravaganza isnt new (cause most people think she created her excentric look). This has been seen in the 80s (Grace jones,Desireless, boy george,...), and in the 00s (Kelis, Peaches, sonique..). But those people arent acting theyre really crazy LMAO and they are FLOPS!
Rihanna, shes cool but too manufactured for me. she does what they tell her what she must do.
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Originally posted by Satellites
I could write you an ENTIRE list on the many ways she has eclipsed Janet.
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She may be better or more successful than Jan in some areas, but that is not ECLIPSING her. As is so often said, Beyonce has her own spot in the industry. There are plenty of things that she does better than Tina Turner and Aretha Franklin too, but it would be absurd to say she ECLIPSED them. Because that means she would make people forget about the others, which isn't happening. Janet will always be remembered.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Janet will always be remembered.
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Of course she will, but I don't think she will be remembered to the extent Beyoncé will.
Janet's swagger in her videos and earlier albums doesn't carry over to her real-life persona the way it does for Madonna or Beyoncé and that is why I think those ladies overshadow (not necessarily eclipse) her.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
Of course she will, but I don't think she will be remembered to the extent Beyoncé will.
Janet's swagger in her videos and earlier albums doesn't carry over to her real-life persona the way it does for Madonna or Beyoncé and that is why I think those ladies overshadow (not necessarily eclipse) her.
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What exactly do you mean by her "real-life" persona? As long as Janet has Jackson attached to her name, she will be just as remembered as either of those females. Now, her being more respected is a whole different story.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
What exactly do you mean by her "real-life" persona? As long as Janet has Jackson attached to her name, she will be just as remembered as either of those females. Now, her being more respected is a whole different story.
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Janet's softspoken and meek demeanor are inconsistent with the more aggressive style she had in her videos. Madonna and Bey exude the same amount of confidence in everyday life as they do when they're performing. I think that's the general consensus. It doesn't necessarily mean Janet sings w/out conviction, it just means she never indulges in her celebrity the way the other ladies do but at the end of the day that sort of bravado is what people remember most.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
Of course she will, but I don't think she will be remembered to the extent Beyoncé will.
Janet's swagger in her videos and earlier albums doesn't carry over to her real-life persona the way it does for Madonna or Beyoncé and that is why I think those ladies overshadow (not necessarily eclipse) her.
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I agree with you. He makes it seem as if some people will be obsoleted by others. Maybe if we were talking about second-rate stars like Ashanti and J. Lo I'd agree with him, but the women I mentioned cannot be replaced. They just are what they are, and they are memorable for it.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
Janet's softspoken and meek demeanor are inconsistent with the more aggressive style she had in her videos. Madonna and Bey exude the same amount of confidence in everyday life as they do when they're performing. I think that's the general consensus. It doesn't necessarily mean Janet sings w/out conviction, it just means she never indulges in her celebrity the way the other ladies do but at the end of the day that sort of bravado is what people remember most.
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Well, I would have to disagree here because to me, Beyonce's attitude in reality or what she shows in interviews, for example, is not the same thing that she exudes at her shows or in videos and many people have said so. But regardless of that, I think that's an irrelevant point. I don't know anyone who is remembered for their real-life personality vs. what they present in videos. Michael was soft spoken and meek but very aggressive in his videos as well. He's considered the King of Pop and is only second to The Beatles in overall impact, so I'm not sure what you are implying, but okay.
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Originally posted by Duca
It was Britney's 4th album and Beyoncé's first and they sold almost the same, the difference is only a million.
And "In the Zone" was a more successful era worldwide (with 3 singles all peaking at #1) than "Dangerously In Love" (4 singles, peaking at #1, #3, #8 and #6 respectively) and had more success in the US actually too cause Britney's first three singles outsold Beyoncé's first three singles despite the fact that they peaked lower.
Crazy In Love #1 for eight weeks (outsold by "Toxic" [#9])
Baby Boy #1 for nine weeks (outsold by "Toxic" [#9] and "Everytime" [#15])
Me, Myself and I #4 (outsold by "Me Against The Music" [#35], "Toxic" [#9] and "Everytime" [#15])
Naughty Girl #3 (outsold by "Toxic" [#9])
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Her updated receipts have been posted on UKMIX and they have yet to be posted here. I wonder why. 
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
Janet's softspoken and meek demeanor are inconsistent with the more aggressive style she had in her videos. Madonna and Bey exude the same amount of confidence in everyday life as they do when they're performing. I think that's the general consensus. It doesn't necessarily mean Janet sings w/out conviction, it just means she never indulges in her celebrity the way the other ladies do but at the end of the day that sort of bravado is what people remember most.
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I don't think Beyonce carries her stage persona into her everyday demeanor... why do you think she created an alter ego for it?  Beyonce is never outspoken, or even well-spoken, the way Madonna can be. I understand what you're trying to say, but I don't think you went for the right angle.
Something to ponder: Janet took risks. She didn't stand behind them with much conviction when she was interrogated, but she took them. Beyonce doesn't take risks and so it is easier for her to be more consistent in the way she acts vs. the way she performs/records music. She is not nearly as provocative as Janet.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I don't think Beyonce carries her stage persona into her everyday demeanor... why do you think she created an alter ego for it? Beyonce is never outspoken, or even well-spoken, the way Madonna can be. I understand what you're trying to say, but I don't think you went for the right angle.
Something to ponder: Janet took risks. She didn't stand behind them with much conviction when she was interrogated, but she took them. Beyonce doesn't take risks and so it is easier for her to be more consistent in the way she acts vs. the way she performs/records music. She is not nearly as provocative as Janet. |
The point I was making is that in order for a singer to be remembered for generations, they need to be a multiple threat. It's not just about the music but the persona as well. Michael didn't have an aggressive personality, but his behavior, mannerisms, attitude were especially unique. Janet's shy girl-next-door persona wasn't.
Beyonce doesn't take many risks, that is true, but she also never appears half-conscious like Janet so often does. She seems vital and sexy and carries herself professionally.
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It really doesn't matter who will be more remembered than Janet. That's kinda an irrelevant point. The main point is, Janet won't be forgotten. As long as "Jackson" is attached to her name, as long as the Superbowl incident is mentioned, as long as she has a slew of clones and artists naming her as an influence, as long as her music is continually mentioned by critics, she will be remembered. She's not some second-rate artist who only saw success with one or two albums (i.e J. Lo, Ashanti, Paula Abdul). Janet is a legend at this point. Whether people want to admit it or not should be left to his or her discretion.
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