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Originally posted by geo
1. Our own government could have done a much better job than Brussels, which has to take the interests of 28 countries into account, rather than just one. That is the fundamental problem with the EU. As power becomes more concentrated in Brussels, individual countries lose out as they can no longer set their own regulations that allow their own industries to prosper - there are compromises all over the shop and it's not working.
2. There will come a point where we can no longer blame the government. Right now, I agree that the government can be doing much better. But we do not have an open pool of resources, as you say we are a tiny island. Right now we can not plan ahead for our public services because we simply do not know how many people we have to plan for. We can simply not continue with free movement. Our population as it stands right now might be just about sustainable but what about in a decade or two? The pressure will be way too much. There is no sign of net migration slowing down.
3. So if we leave, the rest of the EU can continue with their vanity project that we have been obstructing and we can both negotiate a trade deal like civilised partners. There doesn't have to be any hostility.
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Sorry to drag this forward but some points need addressing.
1. Sure our government *could* have done better. But let's look at how other national strategic industries were handled without any help from the EU (coal, steel, rail, etc...). And you're wrong that nations cannot set out their own regulations. States can make their own separate rules within the grounds permitted by EU law, and there are some areas where the EU isn't the one calling the shots either.
2. We can make projections about these things. And the simple fact of the matter is that migrants bring in more than they take. That money just needs to be applied correctly.
3. There doesn't have to be, but there is. We'll send dickheads like Boris and Farage to greet representatives of other states who have had enough of our ****. Negotiating a trade deal is no easy matter. Look at TTIP, for example. Furthermore, these deals reflect the strength of bargaining power on each side. Every other member of the EU will be out for their best against the UK. We are going to get dragged.