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News: 2013 US Government Shutdown
Member Since: 3/12/2012
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Not on the beginning of a new month.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by dperkins
Actually it misses quite a few. As I posted earlier, the Center for Disease Control will be shut down. Meaning if some new disease spreads during the shut down, the people affected could be ****ed.
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Ya. No.
Only certain segments of the CDC are shut down. Its emergency response units will still be operating.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
That isn't even true though.
Obamacare is about young healthy people buying insurance to support the sick. All evidence shows that it should decrease costs overall for everyone, including the rich, in the long term.
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Read the rest of my post. People don't want to pay more regardless of who it helps, and people will abuse the system.
Yes it will "work", but at the cost of things like this; government shut downs and stubborn politics. Personally, I am willing to pay the price even though I don't care for the work I have to put into it, because like you said it will help everyone in the long term. However people are all about now and not the future so they don't understand this.
Thus, I said if the Republicans and Democrats actually acted like adults for once and worked together, then people would do the same. Also, the media would have more trouble misconstruing Obama's and the Democratic Party's intents.
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Member Since: 9/11/2010
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
Ya. No.
Only certain segments of the CDC are shut down. Its emergency response units will still be operating.
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That isn't what it sounded like in the article. But that's good. Lol
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by dperkins
That isn't what it sounded like in the article. But that's good. Lol
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Pretty much all emergency services remain unaffected by the shutdown.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by dperkins
Actually it misses quite a few. As I posted earlier, the Center for Disease Control will be shut down. Meaning if some new disease spreads during the shut down, the people affected could be ****ed.
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They forgot about WIC too.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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The reps let the tea party in & now its destroying it from the inside out. The only sliver lining here is that we're going to have another dem president
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by RastaMentality
They forgot about WIC too.
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Existing WIC checks will be honored I imagine, but they will either not send out new ones or no longer accept new applicants to the program.
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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Originally posted by Relampago.
I understand the ObamaCare is NOT perfect regardless of what anyone says. It causes the "upper-class" to pay more for health care per month that they might not necessarily need, and it panders to the lower-class citizens, who do need the coverage, but of course there will be bad eggs who abuse it similar to welfare.
HOWEVER, it is the best solution presented as of now, and if the Republicans would actually work with the Democratic party, then the bill could be revised to better benefit everyone eventually. I feel like congress sees things as black and white, rather than a grey area where they can actually agree on things. It is constantly Blue vs Red rather than Americans actually working together for the benefit on their citizens. The childish behavior in congress is just disgusting, to be honest and this is coming from a conservative.
I am also tired of BOTH parties opposing each other just because one is a Republican and one is a Democrat. Personally, Obama is not the best president ever, but he really is trying to get the country back on its feet so that we can actually work to accomplish what we used to. The only reason most people don't like him is because they are afraid of CHANGE. Change is not always a bad thing, but people hate to have to readjust to new policies and payments and would rather live through rudimentary laws and government. This is not the right mindset to have and people have to open their minds to new ideas that will help to better the entire country as a whole, even if it means a larger payment every month. People are selfish and do not want to sacrifice anything for the greater good of people.
But in short, this did not warrant a government shut down.
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Member Since: 8/2/2012
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
Existing WIC checks will be honored I imagine, but they will either not send out new ones or no longer accept new applicants to the program.
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Damn good thing my sister just got her **** today before this, though I think she could still get some stuff..I don't really know how it works though
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Originally posted by Fernando.
Thx obama, thx dems
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Fernando.
Thx obama, thx dems
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Thx ignorance
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by CNN
BREAKING NEWS: A little more than an hour after the federal government began shutting down, House Republicans have voted to reaffirm Obamacare amendments they attached to a spending bill that would have kept the government running and that the Senate had earlier rejected.
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Looks like this'll be a long shutdown.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
Yeah. Nixon was a dirtbag, but that isn't really true.
...and as much as I like Obamacare it really is incredibly unpopular among republicans. The House is just doing what their constituents want. Though I think it will blow up in their faces come election time.
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I know, I'm just saying that the American government does not care about their people. Why would you be opposed to universal healthcare? Its sad.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by FatShady
I know, I'm just saying that the American government does not care about their people. Why would you be opposed to universal healthcare? Its sad.
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I agree with the politics, but it is never that simple.
They really do believe that it is not the governments job to supply healthcare.
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Member Since: 10/17/2011
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On the eve of the shutdown, a CNN/ORC poll found that 36% of Americans would fault Obama in the event of a shutdown, while 46% would fault congressional Republicans.
General sentiment was against the shutdown, with 60% desiring a budget agreement and only one-third of Americans believing it to be more important to prevent the Affordable Care Act from taking effect by cutting government funding
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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I'll never understand why Americans act like health care is the anti-Christ itself. In most European countries there's been public health care for decades, and we're better off financially, plus the economic gap is smaller. I don't get it.
Tbh, that whole argument "this isn't the governments' job" pisses me off so much because if it isn't, it also isn't their job to decide who gets married, who gets an abortion, and if there are prayers in school. Sorry, but if there's one party that acts all fascist and tries to control peoples' lives, it sure as hell isn't the Democratic one.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by MissBreakaway
I'll never understand why Americans act like health care is the anti-Christ itself. In most European countries there's been public health care for decades, and we're better off financially, plus the economic gap is smaller. I don't get it.
Tbh, that whole argument "this isn't the governments' job" pisses me off so much because if it isn't, it also isn't their job to decide who gets married, who gets an abortion, and if there are prayers in school. Sorry, but if there's one party that acts all fascist and tries to control peoples' lives, it sure as hell isn't the Democratic one.
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That part is not true at all. Many European countries have debts that dwarf the USA's, and their loans have MUCH higher interest rates so they are in DEEP trouble long term.
The USA on the other hand gets the lowest rates in the world. Loans the US takes today actually have lower interest rates than inflation.... meaning that in all actuality they shrink over time instead of growing.
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Member Since: 10/14/2011
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Reading through the events of what's going on here, I'm glad I live in a country like the UK.
Sure, our earnings overall might be a little lower because we pay more in taxes, but I'm proud we've got a National Health Service that guarantees free healthcare, a social housing system that means no one has to end up on the streets, a benefits system that means someone can afford to survive a lead at least a basic quality of life if they can't find a job, a school system that's inclusive and somewhat affordable and a liberal and equal society that looks after one another.
To have a "shutdown" here would be out of the question. We'd be furious at the government. I don't know how you guys can even begin to tolerate it.
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