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Discussion: MC: 75 (29 reviews) | Adele '25' Reviews Thread
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Originally posted by Tillz
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This is going to end up somewhere in the 73-76 range which is personally fine by me. Thank God Adele made a phenomenal record, else God knows what the score would have been.
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I'm not denying that Adele is a good vocalist, but I don't know how she can be called the "greatest of our generation" when her poor technique has already caused damage. I know she's stopped smoking and it seems she's taken more training, but I find it concerning to deem unhealthy technique as amazing vocal ability.
OT: The album is good and I think the MC score is accurate.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
You're assuming that he meant 'formulaic' in a bad way. I read it as Max Martin has an ability to write hit after hit with a very similar formula. May not have been praise, but it wasn't really shade or a drag either.
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When it comes to music reviews and especially Pitchfork, that's a bad word. It actually is. Pitchfork prefers new sounds, lyrics that make you uncomfortable, anything different etc... they got their reputation by dragging everyone who showed an ounce of unoriginality.
The whole point of the review is "Adele's music is formulaic that's why she's so popular but she has the best voice of this generation, so it's ok"
I like their score but I don't like what they wrote.
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Originally posted by Moonchild
I'm not denying that Adele is a good vocalist, but I don't know how she can be called the "greatest of our generation" when her poor technique has already caused damage. I know she's stopped smoking and it seems she's taken more training, but I find it concerning to deem unhealthy technique as amazing vocal ability.
OT: The album is nice and I think the MC score is accurate.
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You really have no idea what you're talking about. Aretha Franklin probably had one of the worst techniques of all time, but she also had one of the best voices of all time as well. If you think a great vocalist means great technique, then you're really going to need to educate yourself.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Mid to high 70s is where it should be. I think most critics like Adele's artistry and like her music, but basically they want her to take more chances. From a commercial standpoint, a risk right after a monstrous album wouldn't have been smart on her part. I don't mind her taking the safe route this time. That's what people want from her.
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A Kid A tea.
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Originally posted by Superpower
When it comes to music reviews and especially Pitchfork, that's a bad word. It actually is. Pitchfork prefers new sounds, lyrics that make you uncomfortable, anything different etc... they got their reputation by dragging everyone who showed an ounce of unoriginality.
The whole point of the review is "Adele's music is formulaic that's why she's so popular but she has the best voice of this generation, so it's ok"
I like their score but I don't like what they wrote.
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Well, you would say that wouldn't you?
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An average of 75 I calculated with all the other reviews included.
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Originally posted by Superpower
Pitchfork dragged her but still gave her a 7.3
They must be scared of Adele
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Originally posted by Superpower
Pitchfork reviews are overrated and lately just plain awful.
The 25 review was somewhat accurate but I still didn't like the approach. With a 7.3, I expected to read a very positive review because when they like something, they give it a 5 or a 6.
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No they didn't, there only major criticism about the album was the lyric, simplicity and lack of experimentation and complexity. From the sound of their review, they seem to like the album, but they want stronger material from her, they don't want a typical pop song from her, they want material as strong as her vocal. There whole point is someone like Adele, someone with the vocal capability as adele should not be singing a typical cookie cutter pop song but should experiment more and write song that match her vocal talent, that basically their negative.Just because the lyric wasn't the best it doesn't mean it was a bad album, if the lyric were more complex and better she would have gotten 8+. if you read the interview you would see that since they basically said that in the review.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
You really have no idea what you're talking about. Aretha Franklin probably had one of the worst techniques of all time, but she also had one of the best voices of all time as well. If you think a great vocalist means great technique, then you're really going to need to educate yourself.
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You misinterpreted what I said. I didn't criticize Adele's ability, but people imitate popular singers and Adele, Ariana and Sam have all had recent vocal damage (which is almost always because of poor technique). Putting them on a pedestal encourages them to continue their improper technique, which is unhealthy for the artist and those who emulate them (though Mariah's nodules also came from alcohol, she's a good example of this).
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I can't at a fellow Beyoncé fan coming in here thinking they are about to try and drag this score when if we are keeping it real, Beyoncé was never a critic darling until 4 (moreso, with BEYONCÉ), which interestingly, is when she started becoming less commercial.
I'm just keeping it real.
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Originally posted by Moonchild
You misinterpreted what I said. I didn't criticize Adele's ability, but people imitate popular singers and ones like Adele, Ariana and Sam have all had recent vocal damage (which is almost always because of poor technique). Putting them on a pedestal encourages them to continue that, which is unhealthy for the artist and those who emulate them (though Mariah's nodules also came from alcohol, she's a good example of this).
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Honestly, I don't even know what you're going on about. This whole argument is kind of stupid to me.
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Originally posted by nuclear
No they didn't, they're only major criticism about the album was the lyric. From the sound of it, they seem to like the album, but they want stronger material from her, they don't want a typical pop song from her, they want material as strong as her vocal. There whole point is someone like Adele, someone with the vocal capacity should be singing a typical cookie cut pop song but should experiment more and write song that match her vocal talent, that basically their negative. if you read the interview you would see that since they basically said that in the interview.
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What interview? Post a link.
Also read post #383
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Originally posted by nuclear
No they didn't, there only major criticism about the album was the lyric, simplicity and lack of experimentation and complexity. From the sound of their review, they seem to like the album, but they want stronger material from her, they don't want a typical pop song from her, they want material as strong as her vocal. There whole point is someone like Adele, someone with the vocal capability as adele should not be singing a typical cookie cutter pop song but should experiment more and write song that match her vocal talent, that basically their negative.Just because the lyric wasn't the best it doesn't mean it was a bad album, if the lyric were more complex and better she would have gotten 8+. if you read the interview you would see that since they basically said that in the review.
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Like I said, some Beyoncé fans are bitter about the iTunes record. They see what they want to see.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Honestly, I don't even know what you're going on about. This whole argument is kind of stupid to me.
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In short, praising Adele when she uses bad technique may cause her long-term vocal damage.
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Originally posted by Moonchild
In short, praising Adele when she uses bad technique may cause her long-term vocal damage.
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Lol. Okay? The voice tends to deteriorate as you get older. See: Mariah and Whitney. They weren't even really old when their voices deteriorated though.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Like I said, some Beyoncé fans are bitter about the iTunes record. They see what they want to see.
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Is this directed at me?
Adele can have and she deserves all the records. It's possible to love someone without being a "stan". I've been listening to Adele since 19 and I bought 21 the very first day it came out.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Lol. Okay? The voice tends to deteriorate as you get older. See: Mariah and Whitney. They weren't even really old when their voices deteriorated though.
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Mariah and Whitney's vocal deterioration was accelerated by alcohol and improper technique. Anyway, it doesn't seem that you agree with me. 25 is a good album, though.
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Originally posted by Mike91
Tobias is a great songwriter but that's why I'd have Paul write with her too.
Fact of the matter is, she should just do her entire album with him. Like I've said before, he can make any kind of song and actually brought out the most different sides to her on this album in I Miss You and Sweetest Devotion.
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yeah i agree, she should do a writing camp of five people ( paul, her, Tobias, dan, rubin, maybe one more person) and maybe two more producers. They all can seat down and collaborated until they get the best material.
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Originally posted by Superpower
Is this directed at me?
Adele can have and she deserves all the records. It's possible to love someone without being a "stan". I've been listening to Adele since 19 and I bought 21 the very first day it came out.
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Honestly, stop trying to stir up negativity out of a damn good review then!
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Originally posted by Moonchild
Mariah and Whitney's vocal deterioration was accelerated by alcohol and improper technique. Anyway, it doesn't seem that you agree with me. 25 is a good album, though.
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sis...
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