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Discussion: Only two Black women in the top ten this entire decade?
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This immediately made me think of Fefe Dobson and how even though she made very minor impact in 03/04, charted with her songs, became a TRL regular, ect.... she never managed to break the same way that Avril, Michelle, Vanessa (or other white contemporaries did)... even with music of equal or greater quality. Was her being a half-black a hindrance to her becoming a successful Pop-Rock artist? Can you even name a successful black pop/rock artist? (Someone with absolutely no R&B/Soul in their music. Just pure rock or pop.)
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I think in her case her music just sucked A white girl with those songs would have met a similar fate and gotten even less attention
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by atrlster
Interesting that most of those are men except nicki and Rihanna
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Indeed sis.
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Member Since: 2/4/2012
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Originally posted by Tsuko
There's tons of dance-pop hits sang by black people in the past few years:
SOS
Don't Stop the Music
Disturbia
Only Girl
S&M
We Found Love
Where Have You Been
Starships
Pound the Alarm
Forever
Yeah 3x
Turn Up the Music
Don't Wake Me Up
Closer
Let Me Love You
The Way I Are
DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love
More
Scream
Sexy Chick
Without You
Turn Me On
Low
Right Round
Sugar
Club Can't Handle Me
Good Feeling
Wild Ones
I Cry
Break Your Heart
Dynamite
Smack That
Beautiful
Right Now
Ayo Technology
American Boy
I Gotta Feeling
Meet Me Haflway
Rock That Body
Imma Be (2nd half)
The Time
Just Can't Get Enough (2nd half)
Sweet Dreams
Fire Burning
Sweet Dreams
Replay
In My Head
Ridin' Solo
Don't Wanna Go Home
And that's not even including crossover songs like OMG, Super Bass, and songs by people like LMFAO who are like a quarter black.
David Guetta and Calvin Harris actually prefer to collaborate with black people, since it gets them the extra rhythmic airplay, which white people don't get.
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Your post is exactly what other people already said in the first few pages.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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(Four if you count Jennifer Lopez and ... Demi Lovato?)
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they are latino, not black
I think it's because R&B music is not as big as it used to be Even male artists have a hard time to reach the top 10
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That's what you get for releasing Girl on Fire
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Member Since: 3/25/2011
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Originally posted by .Chad.
This immediately made me think of Fefe Dobson and how even though she made very minor impact in 03/04, charted with her songs, became a TRL regular, ect.... she never managed to break the same way that Avril, Michelle, Vanessa (or other white contemporaries did)... even with music of equal or greater quality. Was her being a half-black a hindrance to her becoming a successful Pop-Rock artist? Can you even name a successful black pop/rock artist? (Someone with absolutely no R&B/Soul in their music. Just pure rock or pop.)
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FeFe. A tragedy.
I remember seeing "Bye Bye Boyfriend" being branded as "HipHop/Soul".
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Well, when you have artists like Nicki who are basically bullied for making pop music to the point where they don't even WANT to do crossover singles ever again, this problem occurs.
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
Well, when you have artists like Nicki who are basically bullied for making pop music to the point where they don't even WANT to do crossover singles ever again, this problem occurs.
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Nicki received criticism because she did a song that DIDN'T crossover. If she had done another crossover single like Moment 4 Life she wouldn't have got such a bad reception.
And it's not because she's black, it's because most of her fans at the time were people that liked hip hop music, since that's what she was doing for years, and she released a eurodance song.
If she did pop from the get-go like Taio Cruz or Jason Derulo, she wouldn't have had that problem.
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by M-D-N-A
Your post is exactly what other people already said in the first few pages.
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People keep saying black artists are prevented from doing dance-pop becuase they're black, so I posted a list of like 30 massive dance-pop hits by black aritsts. It's clearly not true. I was looking through the year-end charts, and it almost seemed like there were more black artists doing dance-pop than white artists tbh. At least a similar amount.
Black artists have an advantage in the chart imo, since if they released the right kind of music (i.e. not eurodance, and not hardcore hip hop, something INBETWEEN), they would get airplay on pop, rhythmic and urban, which would give them huge airplay and shoot them into the top 10. That's how Rihanna is #1 at the moment. Other people need to release crossover hits aswell. Ciara's new song is a great example of one.
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Member Since: 6/2/2012
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Nicki received criticism because she did a song that DIDN'T crossover. If she had done another crossover single like Moment 4 Life she wouldn't have got such a bad reception.
And it's not because she's black, it's because most of her fans at the time were people that liked hip hop music, since that's what she was doing for years, and she released a eurodance song.
If she did pop from the get-go like Taio Cruz or Jason Derulo, she wouldn't have had that problem.
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People criticized her Beam Me Up Scotty mixtape for containing too much singing... Even though there was rapping on every song.
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why not counting Bey? How does she not count? but yeah it is something to think about. People who say racism isn't around anymore are idiots.
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Alicia will change that this week.
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
People criticized her Beam Me Up Scotty for containing too much singing... Even though there was rapping on every song.
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Beam Me Up Scotty is a hip hop mixtape. I don't think it has too much singing though, personally.
If she was doing songs like Break Your Heart, Dynamite, In My Head, etc. from day 1 (releasing pop songs and NOT hip hop mixtapes), she would've been accepted as part of the pop world from day one, and completely ignored by the urban world, just like Taio Cruz and Jason Derulo.
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Member Since: 2/17/2012
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Originally posted by iseeyouupsidedown
why not counting Bey? How does she not count? but yeah it is something to think about. People who say racism isn't around anymore are idiots.
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Her only top 10 this decade (so far) is Telephone, and so it's not a song where she's the lead artist.
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Member Since: 6/2/2012
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Beam Me Up Scotty is a hip hop mixtape. I don't think it has too much singing though, personally.
If she was doing songs like Break Your Heart, Dynamite, In My Head, etc. from day 1 (releasing pop songs and NOT hip hop mixtapes), she would've been accepted as part of the pop world from day one, and completely ignored by the urban world, just like Taio Cruz and Jason Derulo.
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But we don't want that, we love her rap songs and I'm very happy she released so many rap songs in the past.
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Member Since: 4/22/2009
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Why aren't more minority women given the chance to make pop then?
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Because people say stuff like this:
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
And that thing from Newark is 30/70 [pop/R&B], because everything until The Preacher's Wife was straight up some bubblegum ****. MERDE.
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And it drives them away from fluffy pop.
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Nicki received criticism because she did a song that DIDN'T crossover. If she had done another crossover single like Moment 4 Life she wouldn't have got such a bad reception.
And it's not because she's black, it's because most of her fans at the time were people that liked hip hop music, since that's what she was doing for years, and she released a eurodance song.
If she did pop from the get-go like Taio Cruz or Jason Derulo, she wouldn't have had that problem.
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Well, you see, even though Starships is pure dance pop (I'm not delusional enough to think otherwise ) when she's been bashed on Twitter so much for doing it, she doesn't feel any incentive to do anything resembling pop at all. So you see her begrudgingly releasing VVV as a single due to the high demand for it, but she doesn't push any effort into it, only opting to get behind lost causes like The Boys and Freedom.
I'm sure there are other reasons as to why she's been ignoring it. But... she's been getting abuse like this since Super Bass. Albeit, not as vocal.
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Now that I think about it, the last black woman to get a number one single as a lead artist (other than Rihanna) was Beyonce with "Single Ladies."
That was so long ago, too.
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