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Discussion: Is Ciara an R&B icon?
Member Since: 8/12/2012
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Originally posted by ciara
I don't know you tell me since you are the one claiming that a Twitter feud somehow makes Ciara ineligible to be a R&B icon....
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Well that's the only thing most people know her for.
How much did Jackie sold?, how many solo #1 does she have?.....@ me. I'll wait.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
Kinda She has some iconic hits but when ppl think of R&B In the grand scheme of things I don't think they think of Ciara.
She's not that influential regarding her music & stuff.
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Umm,, well maybe R&B Dance Icon would be more appropriate.....but for you to say Ciara is not influential...I want you to explain why she isn't because I can show you how influential she's been.....
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
I never said it was. Ask the others who are talking about Rih event that has nothing to do with Ciara, e.g her album.
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Because of what you started
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
No.
She's just someone who got owned by Rihanna on twitter.
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Member Since: 8/12/2012
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Originally posted by dessy
Because of what you started
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Yeah and?
I said she's not an RnB icon and explained why. People still use that tweet today.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Yes. Like A Boy alone is iconic.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
Yeah and?
I said she's not an RnB icon and explained why. People still use that tweet today.
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You haven't explained a damn thing. A "clock" by another celebrity is not an argument against being an icon.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
Well that's the only thing most people know her for.
How much did Jackie sold?, how many solo #1 does she have?.....@ me. I'll wait.
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That's a lie. The twitter beef didn't start Ciara's career, she was already four albums in when that happened.....and she already had countless achievements prior to the beef which happened when the downfall of her label Jive had begun along their attempt to sabotage Ciara.....
Goodies (Song) went #1 for seven weeks; album went 3x platinum and she has countless other Top 10 hits along with it. She earned a Grammy, plus had a #1 platinum album (The Evolution) on the Billboard Top 200 way before Rihanna with sales of over 330k first week (higher than any Rihanna album). She is also one of the females with the most R&B top 10 hits in the past decade.....
and after the beef, she switched labels. Despite their lack of support, she's had various hits and has maintained respectable streaming presence, especially for an R&B chick.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ciara
Umm,, well maybe R&B Dance Icon would be more appropriate.....but for you to say Ciara is not influential...I want you to explain why she isn't because I can show you how influential she's been.....
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She's not really influential when compared to R&B icons like Aaliyah, Brandy, Mary, Beyonce, etc. This is coming from someone that uses a lot of her music. I rarely hear anyone say that they are doing _ because they were inspired by Ciara & her music. The only thing I can somewhat think of is the whole Crunk-n-B thing but that was the trend when she was smashing. But If you have more feel free to clock me.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
She's not really influential when compared to R&B icons like Aaliyah, Brandy, Mary, Beyonce, etc. This is coming from someone that uses a lot of her music. I rarely hear anyone say that they are doing _ because they were inspired by Ciara & her music. The only thing I can somewhat think of is the whole Crunk-n-B thing but that was the trend when she was smashing. But If you have more feel free to clock me.
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It's not so much her music, because Beyoncé and a lot of artist have taken things from other artists in the past, and so has Ciara. But Ciara's artistic style and DANCE has been duplicated by a lot of artists.
I mean Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Sam Smith, Stevie Wonder, Janet Jackson and many more have spoken about Ciara and have acknowledge her as both a singer and dancer.....
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Member Since: 8/12/2012
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Originally posted by ciara
That's a lie. The twitter beef didn't start Ciara's career, she was already four albums in when that happened.....and she already had countless achievements prior to the beef which happened when the downfall of her label Jive had begun along their attempt to sabotage Ciara.....
Goodies (Song) went #1 for seven weeks; album went 3x platinum and she has countless other Top 10 hits along with it. She earned a Grammy, plus had a #1 platinum album (The Evolution) on the Billboard Top 200 way before Rihanna with sales of over 330k first week (higher than any Rihanna album). She is also one of the females with the most R&B top 10 hits in the past decade.....
and after the beef, she switched labels. Despite their lack of support, she's had various hits and has maintained respectable streaming presence, especially for an R&B chick.
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And all those things still don't make her an icon.
She's successful but is she an icon?...No. Most people WW know her for her Rih twitter beef.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
And all those things still don't make her an icon.
She's successful but is she an icon?...No. Most people WW know her for her Rih twitter beef.
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Google search just Ciara and nothing about the beef will pop up. Yes the beef was a ONE of the controversies she had, but it didn't define her career. You are trying to justify it but it's not working for you. Ciara has had more publicized controversies like the one with Future, Russel Wilson ect.
Even so, it has nothing to do with her as a music artist.....and despite the beef Ciara has managed to book THAT stage she spoke of...so... your point still remains invalid.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
And all those things still don't make her an icon.
She's successful but is she an icon?...No. Most people WW know her for her Rih twitter beef.
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No... Only Twitter/ATRL stans know of and remember the beef.
Most know her for her hits 1, 2 Step, Goodies, Like You, Taking Back My Love, Love Sex Magic, Like A Boy, Body Party, I Bet, her dancing skills, her works with Missy, the drama with Future, Dating Russell. Even the comparisons to Aaliyah is more known than a twitter beef.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by dessy
No... Only Twitter/ATRL stans know of the beef.
Most know her for her hits 1, 2 Step, Goodies, Like You, Taking Back My Love, Love Sex Magic, Like A Boy, Body Party, I Bet, her dancing skills, her works with Missy, the drama with Future, Dating Russell. Even the comparisons to Aaliyah is more known than a twitter beef.
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She is so trying it........
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by ciara
She is so trying it........
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I mean, Ciara may not be as big as Rihanna but her first eras made her into a superstar. Even after her "decline" she still manage to put out hits, especially in the R&B category. She has the respect of various other artists from Taylor Swift to Beyoncé. She been making strides into modeling earning their respects. But no, Rihanna and Ciara got mad at each other like a couple of sassy drag queens and that's all people care about
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Ci is definitely a R&B icon
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
Well that's the only thing most people know her for.
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Completely untrue. Goodies, 1 2 Step, Lose Control, etc. were massive hits and are still remembered as iconic bops. Don't be delusional.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ciara
It's not so much her music, because Beyoncé and a lot of artist have taken things from other artists in the past, and so has Ciara. But Ciara's artistic style and DANCE has been duplicated by a lot of artists.
I mean Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Sam Smith, Stevie Wonder, Janet Jackson and many more have spoken about Ciara and have acknowledge her as both a singer and dancer.....
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I said Musically tho. You can take things and still be influential musically & Ciara just isn't, imo.
& those artists may have mentioned her, but how many were artistically & musically influenced by her?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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sis idk why you even responded and let them derail your thread, they're probably stuck in the 2011 mentality that you can't like rihanna and like ciara too.
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yes she's an r&b icon
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by dessy
I mean, Ciara may not be as big as Rihanna but her first eras made her into a superstar. Even after her "decline" she still manage to put out hits, especially in the R&B category. She has the respect of various other artists from Taylor Swift to Beyoncé. She been making strides into modeling earning their respects. But no, Rihanna and Ciara got mad at each other like a couple of sassy drag queens and that's all people care about
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That whole beef died by the middle of 2012. No one talked about it after that except a few pressed stans from her.
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