Thank you for posting 2 songs that start different and have different vocal arrangements.
It's the same song, the difference in how they start is incredibly minor and comes down to production, and the main vocal melody is the same minus some ad libs. It's ridiculous to give yourself credit and say you cowrote the song when you barely did a thing to it.
There you have nothing. The song, originally recorded by Jon McLaughlin, was called Smack Into You in its demo stages. Beyonce recorded the song, changed the word smack to smash, made changes to the instrumentation and slightly embellished the vocal arrangement. Nobody stole anything from anyone.
She always rushing in to post those videos she got booked marked. Proving nothing but the fact that she can't hear notes apart.
P!nk's version has some changes to the arrangement (taking the chorus an octave up, the bigger sound, the high harmony in the last chorus), but she is not listed as a writer because she did not write the song. That's just her interpretation on the song and she changed it up to make it her own.
Compare the original demo of Don't Let Me Stop You to Kelly's version:
The original demo is literally an R&B/Pop song and Kelly's is a Pop/Rock song. Completely new arrangement, some changed lyrics, changed up vocals etc. But she isn't credited because the song was already written....she did not write it, she just put her own spin on it. That's called interpreting.
There are so many more examples that could be made. Think about when an artist covers a song...
Or basically any BBC Radio 1 Live Lounge cover. Artists pretty much always change it up, sometimes tremendously. But it's not like they wrote the song so they aren't going to put their name on the credits.
At the root of it, I see no difference in an artist taking a song and covering it with some big changes to make it their own, and Beyonce taking a song sent to her and singing it her own style/changing up the vocals. Both situations involve a preexisting song, it being in the hands of another artist, and them putting their own spin on it. But the difference is...everybody knows the original version of a cover song. A song like Smack Into You, for example, wasn't officially released, so 99% of people don't know it was a preexisting song before Beyonce got her hands on it (and would have no way of knowing, if the original version didn't make its way onto the internet)....thus Beyonce can get away with putting her name on the credits for her interpreting.
She always rushing in to post those videos she got booked marked. Proving nothing but the fact that she can't hear notes apart.
And by that logic, you're proving that you can't read. And no, I'm not "rushing in".
She sings it in her own style, she doesn't sing it 100% the same way Jon does. She changes some notes up. It's ridiculous to say you co-wrote a song because you did that, when it's basically a given that you're not going to sing it just like the original singer.
It's the same song, the difference in how they start is incredibly minor and comes down to production, and the main vocal melody is the same minus some ad libs. It's ridiculous to give yourself credit and say you cowrote the song when you barely did a thing to it.
SMACK into You vs SMASH into You. You don't know what was added or taken out of the song (production wise) etc.
Do you not see the small difference?
It's reason why Beyonce's name is last in the credits.
So she DID NOT steal anything. Which brings us back to the OPs question. She hasn't, deal with it.
P!nk's version has some changes to the arrangement (taking the chorus an octave up, the bigger sound, the high harmony in the last chorus), but she is not listed as a writer because she did not write the song. That's just her interpretation on the song and she changed it up to make it her own.
Compare the original demo of Don't Let Me Stop You to Kelly's version:
The original demo is literally an R&B/Pop song and Kelly's is a Pop/Rock song. Completely new arrangement, some changed lyrics, changed up vocals etc. But she isn't credited because the song was already written....she did not write it, she just put her own spin on it. That's called interpreting.
There are so many more examples that could be made. Think about when an artist covers a song...
Or basically any BBC Radio 1 Live Lounge cover. Artists pretty much always change it up, sometimes tremendously. But it's not like they wrote the song so they aren't going to put their name on the credits.
At the root of it, I see no difference in an artist taking a song and covering it with some big changes to make it their own, and Beyonce taking a song sent to her and singing it her own style/changing up the vocals. Both situations involve a preexisting song, it being in the hands of another artist, and them putting their own spin on it. But the difference is...everybody knows the original version of a cover song. A song like Smack Into You, for example, wasn't officially released, so 99% of people don't know it was a preexisting song before Beyonce got her hands on it (and would have no way of knowing, if the original version didn't make its way onto the internet)....thus Beyonce can get away with putting her name on the credits for her interpreting.
Don't do it, daughter
Compare the demo version of Satellites by Amanda Ghost to Beyonce's album version:
Compare Prince's The Beautiful One's and Kings of Leon's Sex on Fire to this live mashup Beyonce performed at the Glastonbury festival in 2011
Compare The Dream's demo version of 1+1 with Beyonce's album version
Trying to attack Beyonce credibility as a musician by showing a poor example of "demo vs final," to imply that she's musically ignorant or uncreative while providing better examples for other artists is tacky misleading. If you wanna play that game play it right.
and just as I said before in this thread and several others like it, reinterpreting a song is considered rearranging and would allow said re-interpreter to credit themselves as a songwriter if they choose
SMACK into You vs SMASH into You. You don't know what was added or taken out of the song (production wise) etc.
Do you not see the small difference?
It's reason why Beyonce's name is last in the credits.
So she DID NOT steal anything. Which brings us back to the OPs question. She hasn't, deal with it.
Actually, you can tell just by listening to Jon's version and comparing it with Beyonce's. She did not change nearly enough to warrant a writing credit.
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Originally posted by Latch
Trying to attack Beyonce credibility as a musician by showing a poor example of "demo vs final," to imply that she's musically ignorant or uncreative while providing better examples for other artists is tacky misleading. If you wanna play that game play it right.
and just as I said before in this thread and several others like it, reinterpreting a song is considered rearranging and would allow said re-interpreter to credit themselves as a songwriter if they choose
Songwriting is not limited to scribbling lyrics
That wasn't the point of my post at all. I wasn't saying she's uncreative. She changed Sex on Fire a good bit, yes? If she recorded it, she wouldn't give herself a writing credit, because the song is already there.....she didn't write it, she just has her own unique interpretation. Most artists change up songs significantly when they cover them.
My point with those demo vs final posts was to show that artists very very frequently change songs that are sent to them to fit their style more, but they don't give themselves writing credits because they didn't write the song. They just were giving their own interpretation. Just like how Beyonce covered Sex on Fire, she gave it her own interpretation.
With songs like Smack Into you, she made even less changes to it than she did with Sex On Fire....yet she gives herself a writing credit. It's the same song, she just sang it the way she sings most of her songs....it's absolutely ridiculous to give yourself a writing credit because you just did the song in your own style while still keeping the same lyrics, same arrangement, same vocal melody.
Almost everyone who has ever publicly accused her, which is a lot of people, have taken back what they said and some of them have even dropped the lawsuit shortly after. (Neyo took back what he said and denies ever saying it)
It's obvious Bey's team hushes them up with a good paycheck.
A lot of the articles about the lawsuits and accusations have disappeared from the web.
There's a reason why Beyonce is one of the most accused for stealing song writing credits compared to other popstars.
It's not a coincidence that she comes out unscathed every single time. (Her being "inspired" by other music videos and performances is a whole other story)
The American Federation of Musicians defines arranging as, "the art of preparing and adapting an already written composition for presentation in other than its original form. An arrangement may include reharmonization, paraphrasing, and/or development of a composition, so that it fully represents the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic structure." "Arranging Music for the Real World: Classical and Commercial Aspects," Vince Corozine, 2002, p. 3
Being listed in the liner notes of an album as a "songwriter," doesn't always suggest writing lyrics.
If someone contributed to the arrangement or re-arrangement of a song in any way, then that constitutes a songwriting credit. If Beyonce was actually this notorious thief that so many of you all have convinced yourself that she is, then it wouldn't make sense that the people she's "stolen" from would continue to work with her and it certainly wouldn't make sense that her reputation is completely untarnished considering anyone she's ever worked with has had nothing but positive things to say regarding her musicianship, creativity and work ethic.
Some of you all stan for people who literally have someone else sing their songs and get credited as a lead vocalist. That seems like a more fitting scandal for those libelous blogs that you all bring up as receipts to write about in their articles nobody reads.
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SMACK into You vs SMASH into You. You don't know what was added or taken out of the song (production wise) etc.
Do you not see the small difference?
It's reason why Beyonce's name is last in the credits.
So she DID NOT steal anything. Which brings us back to the OPs question. She hasn't, deal with it.
Yeah, exactly. Small differences.
The vocals here were just adjusted to fit Beys vocal style and the sound slightly to fit her album. Thats all. Every artist who covers a song or performs a song given to him has to do it, to add their own touch to it. Ella Fitzgerald had a very unique style and phrasing, so she often re-arranged the vocals and changed vocal melody, but she never gave herself a credit for that. Thats just part of being a good vocalist.
I have heard so many covers where artists not only re-arranged the vocals, but also changed the tempo, vocal melody, the lyrics/their meaning, or even the genre and yet they didnt gave themselves a songwriting credit. They were credited as performers or producers at best. And for a reason.
Do you know how you can get a songwriting credit for arrangement? When you drastically re-arrange the composition so it affects, changes and disrupts the core structure (basic melody) of the song, nothing less. You also can get a songwriting credit when you write new verses or chorus lyrics or both, or develop the melody by creating new orchestration, harmonies or melodic segments (and even that is often not enough). And that clearly havent happened here, the structure of the song - melody and lyrics - stayed intact.
Similar situation - GJWHF - an unreleased demo by Robert Hazard covered by Cyndi Lauper where the genre, the lyrics (from male point of view to female), the intro, tempo, instrumentation etc. were changed, melodic interludes added and yet, the whole credit went to Robert. Why? Because the song structure - melody and lyrics - stayed almost untouched.
She gets songs ready on a plate, change 1 word and then claim in interviews that she wrote this song based on personal experiences without even mentioning the one who originally wrote it.
